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Aaron56

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"Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit."

This is in John 20. They had the Holy Spirit before the lots fell the Matthias.

There were not to depart Jerusalem before receiving the baptism of Power by the Holy Spirit. He did not say "don't do anything".

Why do you read it as "don't do anything".
 

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“sub apostles “ or sent messengers are plenty in the church but the apostles are 12 established in the time of the planting of this seed and it’s the reason we still can sit and learn from them in scripture
Where is it written "sub-apostles"? There are 12 Apostles of the Lamb and there are other apostles in the church.
 

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"Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit."

This is in John 20. They had the Holy Spirit before the lots fell the Matthias.

There were not to depart Jerusalem before receiving the baptism of Power by the Holy Spirit. He did not say "don't do anything".

Why do you read it as "don't do anything".
yeah that’s a figure showing a new beginning it references this

“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬

but is your point they had already received the Holy Spirit before pentocost ?

“The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-5‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that happened here when Peter started prophecy of of Christ

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

are we now saying they had already received the Holy Ghost before pentocost seems we are going backwards
 

Pilgrimshope

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Where is it written "sub-apostles"? There are 12 Apostles of the Lamb and there are other apostles in the church.
no it’s a term I’m using from what you are saying you make the point there are twelve , yet claim there are many so I’m assuming you are claiming they are apostles , but not quite the same As Jesus apostles who established the witness we now have a couple thousand years later

so what I mean by sub apostle is people sent with a message , for a purpose .

I could send a message to you by a messenger me if I had some authority they would be an apostle carrying my message


The term apostle is to say “ sent one “ “ chosen messenger “ of greater authority

my argument is when you stand and see the wall of Gods kingdom there are going to be written the 12 names of Jesus apostles , those twelve names are written and Paul os the twelfth. That’s what i think but I could be wrong about most of what I think who knows . I do however think of you were to consider the scripture I have shared you at the least would understand why I think what I think .

anyways brother I’ve pretty much ran out of zeal for this one it doesn’t seem to be very productive

on a totally unrelated thought , have you ever read Paul’s apocalypse ? If you have I would like to hear your take on it
 

Aaron56

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I used to think the way you think about apostles so I am very familiar with the scriptures. But I understand. In the famous words of Paul: Where we disagree the Lord will show you. :)

No, never read Paul's Apocalypse. I will now, though. :) Bless you, brother.