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Sabbath used to be 1 day out of seven. Now Sabbath rest is 100% of the time.

Priests of God used to be from 1 tribe out of 12. Now priests are all God's children.

In the old covenant, people were slaves to God because of failure. In the New covenant people are slaves to God by choice.

In the old covenant Laws were written in stone and in books. It constrained the reader. In the new covenant the nature of man is changed in the presence of the Spirit of God. The standard for God and man is the same.

You can't see that His commandments come now by the revelation of Spirit, moment by moment. That is what "being led by the Spirit" means. To be stuck in the book as another set of rules is to be stuck in neutral, or worse. Let the book confirm the Spirit.

Man lives by the word of God that comes continually from His mouth. We are given the Spirit to hear Him.
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Give me scripture, Book, Chapter and verse. I have backed up everything I have stated with scripture. Rest means Sabbath keeping, that is the 7th day of the week it is referring to.
No one has explained the keeping of the commandments throughout the NT including the keeping of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13)
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.
 
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dlj57 said:
Give me scripture, Book, Chapter and verse. I have backed up everything I have stated with scripture. Rest means Sabbath keeping, that is the 7th day of the week it is referring to.
No one has explained the keeping of the commandments throughout the NT including the keeping of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13)
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16)
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25)
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12)
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10)
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.
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You’re already unable to comprehend. Reversing course is your only chance to understand.
 
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"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4) This is referring to the Ten Commandments including the keeping of the Sabbath.
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9) This is false Sunday worship.
" We ought to obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29) Follow gods Commandments not mans.
" I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds, I will write them. " (Hebrews 10:16) The Ten Commandments / Sabbath
"...to change times and law..." (Daniel 7:25) Changing the day of Worship from the true Sabbath to Sunday.
"Therefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good." (Romans 7:12) Don't change Gods Commandments and Laws.
"...I have kept My Father's commandments." (John 15:10) Jesus keep the Commandments and the Sabbath
This is all in the NT and there are many, many more. God plainly tells us to keep his commandments and to keep the Sabbath.
 
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Aaron56 said:
You’re already unable to comprehend. Reversing course is your only chance to understand.
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No... you are unable to comprehend. Just give me Scripture where the Ten Commandments have changed and the Sabbath has been changed, abolished or transferred. God says the Sabbath will be with us on the New Earth. "...and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord" (Isaiah 66:23)
You're not suggesting he is talking about Sunday, are you?
 
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and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13)
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I already addressed this.

Why would Gentiles "keep" an Israelite ordinance?

They wouldn't! They might, however, for convenience, gather with Israelites to hear the word of God when and where the Israelites gathered.
 
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Dino246 said:
I already addressed this.

Why would Gentiles "keep" an Israelite ordinance?

They wouldn't! They might, however, for convenience, gather with Israelites to hear the word of God when and where the Israelites gathered.
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[Gen 2:1-2 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
The Sabbath was the seventh day of creation week, that was the day God rested in a completed creation. It was then left as a memorial for man (that’s why the commandment says “remember”) there weren’t any Israelites. The Sabbath is a gift from a loving creator, not a burden. It spans all time and will be observed after sin has been destroyed and the earth cleansed.
 
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dlj57 said:
No... you are unable to comprehend. Just give me Scripture where the Ten Commandments have changed and the Sabbath has been changed, abolished or transferred. God says the Sabbath will be with us on the New Earth. "...and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord" (Isaiah 66:23)
You're not suggesting he is talking about Sunday, are you?
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It’s okay. I’m at peace with your condition. It’s very common.
 
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rrcn said:
[Gen 2:1-2 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
The Sabbath was the seventh day of creation week, that was the day God rested in a completed creation. It was then left as a memorial for man (that’s why the commandment says “remember”) there weren’t any Israelites. The Sabbath is a gift from a loving creator, not a burden. It spans all time and will be observed after sin has been destroyed and the earth cleansed.
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Unfortunately, none of this answers my question. The gentiles were excluded from Israel; they would have no inclination to follow Israelite ordinances.
 
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Dino246 said:
I already addressed this.

Why would Gentiles "keep" an Israelite ordinance?

They wouldn't! They might, however, for convenience, gather with Israelites to hear the word of God when and where the Israelites gathered.
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"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentles..." (Rom 3:29)
"Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." (2 Tim 1:11)
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." (1 Tim 2:7)
"So, when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. ..." (acts 13:42-44)
There are many more.
 
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"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentles..." (Rom 3:29)
"Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." (2 Tim 1:11)
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." (1 Tim 2:7)
"So, when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. ..." (acts 13:42-44)
There are many more.
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You haven't answered the question. Random vaguely-related verses won't cut it.
 
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It’s okay. I’m at peace with your condition. It’s very common.
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You are in my prayers, God bless you.
"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)
 
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Dino246 said:
You haven't answered the question. Random vaguely-related verses won't cut it.
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"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)
 
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dlj57 said:
"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)
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I will pray for you
 
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Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have
been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
 
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dlj57 said:
"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)
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I will pray for you
 
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dlj57 said:
"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart." (Ephesians 4:18)
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You criticized me for not being nice, and here you are not being nice.

Hypocrite.
 
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Magenta said:
All but the Sabbath, which pointed forward to the rest we find in Christ.
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Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458
 
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