I think you misunderstood my post. I do not believe Jesus broke the Sabbath or was "working" on the Sabbath- Jesus would know how to keep the Sabbath hence why He is Lord of the Sabbath He created it and made it to be a blessing for mankind and for sanctification Eze 20:12 as we can't sanctify ourselves.
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The law is holy, just and good.
The fact that we are all sinners means we have all transgressed the law.
All have sinned.
When I look at Jesus I see perfection, pure righteousness and a perfect example of obedience.
I know that my righteousness is as filthy rages, and I know that the only hope I have is in the righteousness of Jesus.
Justification by faith.
But can I aim to obey the law? Can I try to follow Jesus, can I surrender to the Holy Spirit and allow Jesus to work obedience in my heart. SANCTIFICATION.
YES I can by the power of Jesus in me I can be transformed.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
I am not contradicting Paul...
Paul did say we are dead in sin but he never said continue in sin.
He said as new born children live like a child free from sin.
Read all these verses... please.
This is what I believe.
Rom 5: 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6: 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Justification is not an excuse to serve sin.
I believe that in obeying my Lord because I love Him and want to be like Him.
The fact that we are all sinners means we have all transgressed the law.
All have sinned.
When I look at Jesus I see perfection, pure righteousness and a perfect example of obedience.
I know that my righteousness is as filthy rages, and I know that the only hope I have is in the righteousness of Jesus.
Justification by faith.
But can I aim to obey the law? Can I try to follow Jesus, can I surrender to the Holy Spirit and allow Jesus to work obedience in my heart. SANCTIFICATION.
YES I can by the power of Jesus in me I can be transformed.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
I am not contradicting Paul...
Paul did say we are dead in sin but he never said continue in sin.
He said as new born children live like a child free from sin.
Read all these verses... please.
This is what I believe.
Rom 5: 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6: 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Justification is not an excuse to serve sin.
I believe that in obeying my Lord because I love Him and want to be like Him.
I believe in following the laws of God Almighty. They are all inspired.
But by studying Scripture you can draw a line between the laws that haven't changed and the laws that have been removed.
God's character does not change and the morals of the universe do not change.
God is love.
OT or NT God's love has not changed.
Many of the laws in the OT have not changed either.
The laws that have changed are the shadow laws, the laws that were a school master, the laws introduced to guide people to Jesus and help us understand the ministry of Jesus.
Jesus has fulfilled these laws and we have a better, perfect example in Jesus.
The sacrifices with lambs blood did not atone for sin. But by faith they did it looking forward to their Messiah. We no longer sacrifice lambs because we look back in faith..
The 10 commandments are a complete law and they are all still relevant today.
But by studying Scripture you can draw a line between the laws that haven't changed and the laws that have been removed.
God's character does not change and the morals of the universe do not change.
God is love.
OT or NT God's love has not changed.
Many of the laws in the OT have not changed either.
The laws that have changed are the shadow laws, the laws that were a school master, the laws introduced to guide people to Jesus and help us understand the ministry of Jesus.
Jesus has fulfilled these laws and we have a better, perfect example in Jesus.
The sacrifices with lambs blood did not atone for sin. But by faith they did it looking forward to their Messiah. We no longer sacrifice lambs because we look back in faith..
The 10 commandments are a complete law and they are all still relevant today.
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Half of your post was correct.
Then you stumbled.
The word 'sin' is more of a Jewish word. A better phrase for Gentiles to use is 'deeds of the flesh'.
Once you realize that Paul is identifying all the deeds of the flesh. You then become aware that you are powerless to overcome sin.
Sin reigns in our mortal bodies, the flesh. We need to be fully dead and buried in Christ. An absolute surrender to Jesus in everything.
Otherwise, the flesh will rule our lives.
Here is an example of the deeds of the flesh.
Galatians 5:19-23
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Some of the 10 commandments are in the list but the deeds of the flesh are legion.
It is better to understand sin as simply bad human behavior, rather than trying to follow a few laws.
and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Then you stumbled.
The word 'sin' is more of a Jewish word. A better phrase for Gentiles to use is 'deeds of the flesh'.
Once you realize that Paul is identifying all the deeds of the flesh. You then become aware that you are powerless to overcome sin.
Sin reigns in our mortal bodies, the flesh. We need to be fully dead and buried in Christ. An absolute surrender to Jesus in everything.
Otherwise, the flesh will rule our lives.
Here is an example of the deeds of the flesh.
Galatians 5:19-23
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Some of the 10 commandments are in the list but the deeds of the flesh are legion.
It is better to understand sin as simply bad human behavior, rather than trying to follow a few laws.
and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Do you think God wants us to stay in slavery to sin?
Do you think sin should hold us in its bondage?
Being free from sin is what God wants.
Jesus can free us of all past sins. But if we just continue to sin we are still slaves.
If I aim to overcome and ask God for help to covercome then believe in His power and grace it is possible. If sin has been revealed by the law...
.thou shall not covet, thou shall not bear false witness, thou shall not have any other gods before me, Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
If the law points out a sin in your life then you can ask God for help or you can harden your heart and ignore the sin.
We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.
Rom 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do you think sin should hold us in its bondage?
Being free from sin is what God wants.
Jesus can free us of all past sins. But if we just continue to sin we are still slaves.
If I aim to overcome and ask God for help to covercome then believe in His power and grace it is possible. If sin has been revealed by the law...
.thou shall not covet, thou shall not bear false witness, thou shall not have any other gods before me, Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
If the law points out a sin in your life then you can ask God for help or you can harden your heart and ignore the sin.
We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.
Rom 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
I don't claim to know all sins and know from history that God revealed some sins to people and not others.
If we are truly ignorant of a sin God will wink at it.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
But being ignorant and purposely egnoring the truth is different.
If God shows us sins in our life we need to repent and choose to die to self.
Jos 24:15 KJV And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Act 26:20 ......and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
If we are truly ignorant of a sin God will wink at it.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
But being ignorant and purposely egnoring the truth is different.
If God shows us sins in our life we need to repent and choose to die to self.
Jos 24:15 KJV And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Act 26:20 ......and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
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Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 therefore; for it is holy H6944 unto you: every one that defileth H2490 it shall surely H4191 be put to death: H4191 for whosoever doeth H6213 any work H4399 therein, that soul H5315 shall be cut off H3772 from among H7130 his people. H5971
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children H1121 of Israel H3478 shall keep H8104 the sabbath, H7676 to observe H6213 the sabbath H7676 throughout their generations, H1755 for a perpetual H5769 covenant. H1285
Lev 25:2
Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel, H3478 and say H559 unto them, When ye come H935 into the land H776 which I give H5414 you, then shall the land H776 keep H7673 a sabbath H7676 unto the LORD. H3068
Deu 5:12
Keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 day H3117 to sanctify H6942 it, as the LORD H3068 thy God H430 hath commanded H6680 thee.
Deu 5:15
And remember H2142 that thou wast a servant H5650 in the land H776 of Egypt, H4714 and that the LORD H3068 thy God H430 brought H3318 thee out thence through a mighty H2389 hand H3027 and by a stretched out H5186 arm: H2220 therefore the LORD H3068 thy God H430 commanded H6680 thee to keep H6213 the sabbath H7676 day. H3117
And notice... three different Hebrew words for "keep" in these 5 verses: H8104, H7673, H6213.
[I've not really been following this thread
][re: Israel]
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 therefore; for it is holy H6944 unto you: every one that defileth H2490 it shall surely H4191 be put to death: H4191 for whosoever doeth H6213 any work H4399 therein, that soul H5315 shall be cut off H3772 from among H7130 his people. H5971
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children H1121 of Israel H3478 shall keep H8104 the sabbath, H7676 to observe H6213 the sabbath H7676 throughout their generations, H1755 for a perpetual H5769 covenant. H1285
Lev 25:2
Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel, H3478 and say H559 unto them, When ye come H935 into the land H776 which I give H5414 you, then shall the land H776 keep H7673 a sabbath H7676 unto the LORD. H3068
Deu 5:12
Keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 day H3117 to sanctify H6942 it, as the LORD H3068 thy God H430 hath commanded H6680 thee.
Deu 5:15
And remember H2142 that thou wast a servant H5650 in the land H776 of Egypt, H4714 and that the LORD H3068 thy God H430 brought H3318 thee out thence through a mighty H2389 hand H3027 and by a stretched out H5186 arm: H2220 therefore the LORD H3068 thy God H430 commanded H6680 thee to keep H6213 the sabbath H7676 day. H3117
And notice... three different Hebrew words for "keep" in these 5 verses: H8104, H7673, H6213.
^ re: "keep"...
[I've not really been following this thread ]
[re: Israel]
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 therefore; for it is holy H6944 unto you: every one that defileth H2490 it shall surely H4191 be put to death: H4191 for whosoever doeth H6213 any work H4399 therein, that soul H5315 shall be cut off H3772 from among H7130 his people. H5971
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children H1121 of Israel H3478 shall keep H8104 the sabbath, H7676 to observe H6213 the sabbath H7676 throughout their generations, H1755 for a perpetual H5769 covenant. H1285
Lev 25:2
Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel, H3478 and say H559 unto them, When ye come H935 into the land H776 which I give H5414 you, then shall the land H776 keep H7673 a sabbath H7676 unto the LORD. H3068
Deu 5:12
Keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 day H3117 to sanctify H6942 it, as the LORD H3068 thy God H430 hath commanded H6680 thee.
Deu 5:15
And remember H2142 that thou wast a servant H5650 in the land H776 of Egypt, H4714 and that the LORD H3068 thy God H430 brought H3318 thee out thence through a mighty H2389 hand H3027 and by a stretched out H5186 arm: H2220 therefore the LORD H3068 thy God H430 commanded H6680 thee to keep H6213 the sabbath H7676 day. H3117
And notice... three different Hebrew words for "keep" in these 5 verses: H8104, H7673, H6213.
[I've not really been following this thread
][re: Israel]
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 therefore; for it is holy H6944 unto you: every one that defileth H2490 it shall surely H4191 be put to death: H4191 for whosoever doeth H6213 any work H4399 therein, that soul H5315 shall be cut off H3772 from among H7130 his people. H5971
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children H1121 of Israel H3478 shall keep H8104 the sabbath, H7676 to observe H6213 the sabbath H7676 throughout their generations, H1755 for a perpetual H5769 covenant. H1285
Lev 25:2
Speak H1696 unto the children H1121 of Israel, H3478 and say H559 unto them, When ye come H935 into the land H776 which I give H5414 you, then shall the land H776 keep H7673 a sabbath H7676 unto the LORD. H3068
Deu 5:12
Keep H8104 the sabbath H7676 day H3117 to sanctify H6942 it, as the LORD H3068 thy God H430 hath commanded H6680 thee.
Deu 5:15
And remember H2142 that thou wast a servant H5650 in the land H776 of Egypt, H4714 and that the LORD H3068 thy God H430 brought H3318 thee out thence through a mighty H2389 hand H3027 and by a stretched out H5186 arm: H2220 therefore the LORD H3068 thy God H430 commanded H6680 thee to keep H6213 the sabbath H7676 day. H3117
And notice... three different Hebrew words for "keep" in these 5 verses: H8104, H7673, H6213.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
It is not keep the Sabbath and keep it holy
No one knows the full list of sins.
Galatians 5:19-24
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
It never hurts to read the list of sins, over and over again. Until we realize exactly what Paul is talking about.
Galatians 5:19-24
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
It never hurts to read the list of sins, over and over again. Until we realize exactly what Paul is talking about.
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