the Sabbath

[mailmandan]

We can be the servants of righteousness or the servants of sin.
Because we fail and need grace, does that mean we continue to sin
SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW
Shall we sin because the condemnation of the law has been paid by grace through faith.
God forbid.....

Rom 6:15-18 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Being servants of righteousness does not mean that we live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 24/7 as Jesus Christ did. Do you claim to be sinless, 100% of the time? (1 John 1:8-10)

There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death and servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 1:16) we then become servants of obedience unto righteousness. Being slaves of sin is put in the "past tense."

Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"

1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

So what condemns us as sinners today?
Are we sinners today? What makes us guilty?

the same thing that made adam guilty, Made abraham guilty. Makes you and me guilty. we have sinned and fall short of Gods glory

The law??? Please read Romans 7.

Rom 7:6-14

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Delivered from the law = Jesus paid our debt, Jesus died the death that we should died.
We are freed from the condemnation through Jesus.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.

God forbid, NO. The law is not death. But sin is death

But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

No law and sin would not exist.

well it does. because it existed from the time of Adam until the law was given. But thanks..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The context is ....
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

The law reveals our sin and sin = death

But notice that Paul said it is written in our hearts. The law that was written in stone was not nailed to the cross it is written in the heart.

Yes it was. Because it was contrary to us.

when we stand before a judge, the judge opens the book of the law. he then states what we are charged with. if we are guilty we suffer the consequences. If the law says do not murder. and you murder. that law will be held up in a court of law. and you will be found guilty of breaking that law

That was nailed to the cross. so we could not be charged with those crimes anymore.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We can be the servants of righteousness or the servants of sin.
Because we fail and need grace, does that mean we continue to sin
SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW
Shall we sin because the condemnation of the law has been paid by grace through faith.
God forbid.....

Rom 6:15-18 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

dude, if you sin once, even by mistake, your guilty.

James said if we keep the whole law and yet stumble in one point, we are guilty.

Gods standard is perfection. If your not perfect. you better recieve his free gift. because your going down if you do not

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No law and sin would not exist.

Another SDA talking point bites the dust

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13​

 

[GWH]

The Sabbath is related to everlasting grace in the following Way:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4). (A person may rest on the Sabbath or not per CL 2:16, GL 4:9-11 & RM 14:5.)

 

[rrcn]

Here is a query I ran with a chat bot regarding the subject of this thread, as the warning says please check the accuracy of the response as the AI is subject to errors.

The query:
evaluate and identify the origin of bible positions of evangelical churches regarding sabbath the seventh day of the week and Sunday observance the first day of the week throughout recorded history

The response:

The positions of evangelical churches regarding Sabbath (the seventh day of the week) and Sunday observance (the first day of the week) have evolved significantly throughout history. Here’s a brief overview:

Early Christianity

• Jewish Roots: Early Christians, including Jesus and His apostles, were Jews who observed the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) as a day of rest and worship12. This practice continued among early Jewish Christians.
• New Testament: The New Testament does not explicitly command a change from Sabbath to Sunday. However, it records that Jesus often healed and taught on the Sabbath, challenging restrictive interpretations of Sabbath laws2.

Transition to Sunday Observance

• Resurrection of Jesus: The shift towards Sunday observance began with the resurrection of Jesus, which occurred on the first day of the week (Sunday). This event was significant for early Christians and led to Sunday being celebrated as the "Lord’s Day"2.
• Second and Third Centuries: By the second century, many Christians, especially Gentile converts, began to gather on Sundays for worship. This practice was influenced by the desire to distinguish themselves from Jewish customs and to honor the resurrection23.

Formalization of Sunday Observance

• Constantine and the Roman Empire: In the fourth century, Emperor Constantine, who converted to Christianity, declared Sunday a day of rest throughout the Roman Empire. This was later confirmed by the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD, which discouraged Sabbath observance and promoted Sunday worship4.
• Medieval Period: Throughout the medieval period, Sunday observance became more entrenched in Christian practice, supported by church authorities and councils4.

Reformation and Beyond

• Protestant Reformation: During the Reformation, most Protestant reformers continued to observe Sunday as the primary day of worship. However, some groups, like the Seventh-day Baptists, revived the practice of seventh-day Sabbath observance2.
• Modern Evangelical Churches: Today, most evangelical churches observe Sunday as their primary day of worship. However, some denominations, such as Seventh-day Adventists, continue to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, emphasizing its biblical roots and the continuity of God’s commandments2.

Summary
The transition from Sabbath to Sunday observance in Christianity was influenced by several factors, including the resurrection of Jesus, early church practices, and decisions by church authorities. While most evangelical churches today worship on Sunday, there are still groups that honor the seventh-day Sabbath, reflecting the diversity of Christian practice and interpretation.

 

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[rrcn]

I was a little upset with some of the disparaging comments directed at my church, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church and ran another query:

Tell me more about the Seventh-day Adventists' perspective on Sabbath.

Seventh-day Adventists hold a distinctive perspective on the Sabbath, viewing it as a sacred and perpetual sign of God’s covenant with humanity. Here are some key points about their beliefs and practices:

Biblical Foundation

• Creation: Adventists believe the Sabbath was established at the end of the creation week. God rested on the seventh day (Saturday), blessed it, and made it holy (Genesis 2:2-3)1.
• Fourth Commandment: The Sabbath is enshrined in the Ten Commandments, where God commands His people to remember and keep the seventh day holy (Exodus 20:8-11)1.

Significance

• Memorial of Creation: The Sabbath serves as a reminder of God’s creative power and His role as the Creator of all things1.
• Symbol of Redemption: It is also seen as a symbol of redemption in Christ, reflecting the rest and salvation that believers find in Him1.
• Sanctification: Observing the Sabbath is a sign of sanctification, indicating a believer’s commitment to God and His commandments1.

Observance

• Rest and Worship: Adventists refrain from secular work and activities on the Sabbath, dedicating the day to rest, worship, and spiritual reflection1.
• Community and Family: The Sabbath is a time for communal worship and family bonding, fostering a sense of community and spiritual growth1.
• Sunset to Sunset: The Sabbath is observed from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday, following the biblical reckoning of a day1.

Theological Emphasis

• Perpetual Covenant: Adventists view the Sabbath as an eternal covenant between God and His people, not limited to the Old Testament but applicable to all believers1.
• Foretaste of Eternity: The Sabbath is seen as a foretaste of the eternal rest and communion with God that believers will experience in His kingdom1.

Practical Application

• Guidelines: The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists provides guidelines to help members experience a meaningful and enriching Sabbath observance2.
• Education: Adventist institutions, such as schools and universities, play a significant role in teaching and reinforcing the importance of Sabbath observance2.

Seventh-day Adventists cherish the Sabbath as a special time to deepen their relationship with God, reflect on His creation and redemption, and enjoy rest and fellowship.

 

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[rrcn]

In conclusion, we have two opposite conclusions (I know):

In particular the words of Paul seem to contradict the words of Jesus, all of the other apostles as well as statements directly from the throne of God. There is a warning that we should heed:

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV] 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

There has to be a way to reconcile what appears to be a discrepancy between these two positions because it is not possible for the Holy Spirit to mislead the church.

 

[vassal]

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this has no place here, stop these childish posts.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I haven’t said the sabbath “ ended “ I’ve said the sabbath was a single command to israel in their old covenant. And isnt part of the gospel the new covenant which isnt according to the one given at Sinai to israel engraved upon stones and given through Moses.

It hasnt “ ended “ until a person died for breaking it then it’s fulfilled upon the person. Because it’s an administerstion of death

“And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. ( Christian’s are sanctified by faith in the blood of Christ and know by believing the word of the gospel not by keeping a sabbath when they didn’t know him )

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. ( Jews still jeep the sabbath it’s pet of thier law)

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31:12-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus died because once you die for a sin like picking up a stick off the ground on a sabbath you then have died to the law and dead men the law says nothing to them they sinned and then died the law no longer applies to them they died and now belong to a new word and way

Here’s what I’m talking about we’ve ( who believe and respond ) been delivered from the law through Christs death for sin

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

…Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law ends for a believer in Jesus at baptism when they die by faith with him

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

…Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christianity is not based on the rocks of Moses law but the living stone from which they drank Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and ministry death and resurrection.

again though Judaism still keeps the sabbath so it hasn’t “ ended “ they still have some promise in the end regarding rhier soecific law but it’s for Israel’s tribes is now and has been my point

this

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is Moses law.

This is Christianity it’s far better and leads to righteousness it began to be preached after Jesus spent his fourty days and nights it’s based on Christ not Moses and Israel’s covenant but Christ and the gospel

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

two covenants one was made with israel they broke it , the other was made with israel then with everyone else from the world . My point has always been the same it’s a different covenant for Israel’s ( jacobs ) children not for the nations

God's covenant has always been made with Israel including the New Covenant, what comes with God's is God's law.
The Sabbath is God's law thus saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Why everyone we are to follow in the scriptures kept God's Sabbath.

 

[rrcn]

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

this has no place here, stop these childish posts.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You are confused, its the bondage of sin, not the bondage of keeping God law that frees us from the bondage of sin why its called the law of Liberty James 2:10-12

Sin i.e. breaking God's law does not come from Christ 1 John 3:8 Why He says depart from Me those who practices lawlessness Mat 7:23

This is the biblical two paths that are our options

Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

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[vassal]

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fine, you are now the only one on my ignore list. good luck to you have a good life.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

fine, you are now the only one on my ignore list. good luck to you have a good life.

 

[vassal]

You are confused, its the bondage of sin, not the bondage of keeping God law that frees us from the bondage of sin why its called the law of Liberty James 2:10-12

Sin i.e. breaking God's law does not come from Christ 1 John 3:8 Why He says depart from Me those who practices lawlessness Mat 7:23

This is the biblical two paths that are our options

Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [g]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 [h]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Yes we do have a choice who to follow but many make the wrong choice and follow another instead of the true GOD. they take the wide easy path.