the Sabbath

[TMS]

The curse of the law is that it condemns us of sin.
As sinners we are all cursed.

But by faith in Christ we are Justified.
Made free from the curse

But the curse and penalty of the law is not the same as the law.
The law is love and just and Righteous.
The penalty is a curse. = death.

God did not remove the law in order to save us from the curse.
God paid the price and died for our transgressions of the law.
The penalty was paid in full. But the law still stands as a guild the point out sin.

God is not the God of lawlessness.
By grace through faith the law does not hold us guilt so we have been made free.

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This does not say the law is void.
The penalty is made void but faith is not an excuse to sin.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God did not remove the law in order to save us from the curse.

That's correct. He made us dead to the law, and alive to God. The law can't condemn where it has no dominion

 

[dave44]

I am only going to message on this hopefully once. I am no scholar. But for one, I tried following the Sabbath thinking it may be mandatory and the same night I had a vision / lucid dream which to cut it short basically said "yes fight me yourself" the devil said as an impossible enemy to defeat. Only saying. I stopped after this as a warning from God I assume.

Other than this, it is mentioned that jews/hebrews are only those inwardly and not only outwardly. Jesus said to the pharisees they were of there father the devil and not of Abraham even though they might be by blood. Because it is by the seed of Abraham all nations are saved, which is Jesus Christ the seed. As far as I understand it. Therefore all are a part of Israel as being "graffed in to the vine" as believers in Christ.

The orchard and wine press were taken from israel the people and given to another people who produce fruit (new covenant etc). Jesus commanded the fruitless tree die and be no more. This seems to be the message for me in my understanding In Marks Gospel.

So, if we are of israel as in the vine of Jesus, and Jesus said that the laws were covered by "love God" and "love your neighbour as yourself", and that the Sabbath was "made for man, not man for the Sabbath", and that there were 4 commands to abstain from fornication, blood consumption, eating anything strangled, or given to idols etc, the only other commands we can add are the ones from Paul which are basically the same as what is already said only fleshed out to show what it means more fully.

Others say "Jesus is our rest and Sabbath". And the issue is also the dates. The Sabbath is not Saturday always. It goes by moons and new moons. And Paul said he worries for those following times and new moons as far as I remember etc. So is this not worry about Saturday Sabbath. We are not circumcised outwardly; so are we to do this also, as this was part of the covenant. It says that we will have circumcised hearts and this was prophesied so you could say we are circumcised, but do we also follow the Sabbath inwardly or outwardly also? Why did I have a warning? was it the devil in my dreams, can God be so weak as to not protect me when I have prayed and when I am sealed with the Spirit?

Not so. God is all powerful.

If you fail in one area of the law you fail the law. There are over 600 laws. The ten commandments are not the only laws. But we apparently cover them by love. If the priests profane the Sabbath and work but are Justified, in the temple service as Jesus mentioned, are we not, as priests and an holy people, allowed to work also. Or do we have two rest days, saturday and sunday, as Paul stayed and taught all of sunday did he not? or is this work and not rest? I cannot tell and must only go by my heart and warning. I think it is only for israel, and I am under a new covenant. Jesus was risen I may be wrong, at the split between saturday and sunday. [check, maybe wrong] Was he not risen on the first day sunday. But wait, sabbath is night and day, not day and night. So we would have to do sabbath from friday 6pm to saturday 6pm, or is it sunday 6pm. The two halves of the day. For us it is two days in our calendar way of doing things, and not always a saturday due to our calendar. Which calendar do we follow? The Enochian?

 

[Aaron56]

The character of God is important
It does not change.

God is ......
Perfect
Holy
Spirit
Love
Light
True
Righteousness
Righteous
Just
Pure
Good
Faithful
Wisdom
Great
The God of peace
Unchanging.......

God is all of these things and He gave the law Himself. The law reflects the character of God.

The Law is......
Perfect. Ps 19:7, Jam 1:25
Holy. Rom 7:12
Spirit. Rom 7:14
Love. 1 Tim 1:5, Rom 13:10
Light Pro 6:23
True. Neh 9:13, Ps 119:142, 151
Righteousness. Ps 119:172
Righteous. Rom 8:4
Just. Rom 7:12
Pure. Ps 19:8
Good. Rom 7:12, 1 Tim 1:8
Faithful. Psa 119:86
Wisdom. Ps 11:10, Ps 119:98
Great. Hos 8:12
Love of the Law = peace. Psa119:165
Unchanging. Mat 5:18.

Jesus does not make this law void.
We are told to keep it.
True .... we are also told that keeping it without faith is a curse. Or that works alone do not save us. ... but the law is still valid. Pointing us to God and directing us away from sin.

Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This was covered previously, like, whenever we read “commandments” we should not insert “10 commandments given at Sinai”.
Try to keep up.

 

[Inquisitor]

Oh my word! ChatGPT is more illuminated than SabbathBlessing?

The AI machine punched out a better explanation than I could have.

Are AI machines saved?

Mwhaaaaaaaaaaa.

 

[Inquisitor]

I am only going to message on this hopefully once. I am no scholar. But for one, I tried following the Sabbath thinking it may be mandatory and the same night I had a vision / lucid dream which to cut it short basically said "yes fight me yourself" the devil said as an impossible enemy to defeat. Only saying. I stopped after this as a warning from God I assume.

Other than this, it is mentioned that jews/hebrews are only those inwardly and not only outwardly. Jesus said to the pharisees they were of there father the devil and not of Abraham even though they might be by blood. Because it is by the seed of Abraham all nations are saved, which is Jesus Christ the seed. As far as I understand it. Therefore all are a part of Israel as being "graffed in to the vine" as believers in Christ.

The orchard and wine press were taken from israel the people and given to another people who produce fruit (new covenant etc). Jesus commanded the fruitless tree die and be no more. This seems to be the message for me in my understanding In Marks Gospel.

So, if we are of israel as in the vine of Jesus, and Jesus said that the laws were covered by "love God" and "love your neighbour as yourself", and that the Sabbath was "made for man, not man for the Sabbath", and that there were 4 commands to abstain from fornication, blood consumption, eating anything strangled, or given to idols etc, the only other commands we can add are the ones from Paul which are basically the same as what is already said only fleshed out to show what it means more fully.

Others say "Jesus is our rest and Sabbath". And the issue is also the dates. The Sabbath is not Saturday always. It goes by moons and new moons. And Paul said he worries for those following times and new moons as far as I remember etc. So is this not worry about Saturday Sabbath. We are not circumcised outwardly; so are we to do this also, as this was part of the covenant. It says that we will have circumcised hearts and this was prophesied so you could say we are circumcised, but do we also follow the Sabbath inwardly or outwardly also? Why did I have a warning? was it the devil in my dreams, can God be so weak as to not protect me when I have prayed and when I am sealed with the Spirit?

Not so. God is all powerful.

If you fail in one area of the law you fail the law. There are over 600 laws. The ten commandments are not the only laws. But we apparently cover them by love. If the priests profane the Sabbath and work but are Justified, in the temple service as Jesus mentioned, are we not, as priests and an holy people, allowed to work also. Or do we have two rest days, saturday and sunday, as Paul stayed and taught all of sunday did he not? or is this work and not rest? I cannot tell and must only go by my heart and warning. I think it is only for israel, and I am under a new covenant. Jesus was risen I may be wrong, at the split between saturday and sunday. [check, maybe wrong] Was he not risen on the first day sunday. But wait, sabbath is night and day, not day and night. So we would have to do sabbath from friday 6pm to saturday 6pm, or is it sunday 6pm. The two halves of the day. For us it is two days in our calendar way of doing things, and not always a saturday due to our calendar. Which calendar do we follow? The Enochian?

Some good questions you asked and I can see this is a well worn path for you.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me
and gave Himself up for me.

The Old Testament and everything in the O.T was the shadow and the promise.

The New Testament contains the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

The full fulfillment of the prophecy in the O.T was Jesus Christ, the messiah, the promised one.

Jesus fulfilled the law with the perfect sacrifice for our eternal reconciliation.

Everything is contained and understood in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

 

[Inquisitor]

The curse of the law is that it condemns us of sin.
As sinners we are all cursed.

But by faith in Christ we are Justified.
Made free from the curse

But the curse and penalty of the law is not the same as the law.
The law is love and just and Righteous.
The penalty is a curse. = death.

God did not remove the law in order to save us from the curse.
God paid the price and died for our transgressions of the law.
The penalty was paid in full. But the law still stands as a guild the point out sin.

God is not the God of lawlessness.
By grace through faith the law does not hold us guilt so we have been made free.

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This does not say the law is void.
The penalty is made void but faith is not an excuse to sin.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul said where there is no law there is no sin.

Romans 5:13
For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law.

Grace and law are mutually exclusive.

Grace and law are in direct opposition to one another.

Grace is a free expression of God's love for us in Jesus Christ.

The law requires our full attention and effort and the law declared that no one is righteous.

Grace requires nothing from us and cannot be earned.

The law cannot save and will never proclaim Christ crucified.

The law involves the flesh and requires your willpower, you will obey the law to the letter.

Jesus Christ is Spirit and is eternal.

 

[TMS]

Grace and law are in direct opposition to one another.

This is not true....
No law = no sin.
No sin = no need for grace.

No law = no need for grace

Law = we are sinners
As sinners we need grace.

Are we saved by the blood of Jesus or are we saved by the removal of the law?

I go to Jesus and by faith ask for His grace.
If there is no law I don't need grace...
No law = no sin = no need for grace.

Rom 7:7-8 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Rom 7:11-13
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Do you need grace?

 

[TMS]

This was covered previously, like, whenever we read “commandments” we should not insert “10 commandments given at Sinai”.
Try to keep up.

So I ask
We're the 10 commandments that God gave Himself perfect? Were they Holy? Were they Just? And Righteous and truth, and Good?

 

[TMS]

The law requires our full attention and effort and the law declared that no one is righteous

Jesus perfectly obeyed the law so that He could be perfectly righteous.

It does show our sinfulness, but that just leads us to the grace of Jesus.