the ruler to come in Dan 9

[MattforJesus]

Continued,

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The new age movement will pave the way for all people who do not love God.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians, and it will pave the way for all Jews to go back to their land for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The New Age Christ will start working in the world at the start of the 7 years period as a great man of peace, and will push the agenda of the new age movement interpretation of religion until the world rebels against God, and then God will end sin on earth.

The 70 weeks are determined upon Israel as a nation to get in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, which God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth.

69 weeks have passed and the last week is the time that God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and bring the Jews to the truth.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, which the 70th week could of not come to pass for Israel as a nation is not in the truth, and Israel as a nation will be in the truth at the end of the 70 weeks.

Salvation is still available for the first three and one half years, and the falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of anything contrary to the new age movement.

The two witnesses are sent to Israel to turn them to the truth which they have power to go against anybody that tries to stop them, and the world cannot touch them.

Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack, but will be attacked after the 7 years period which Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world at the battle of Armageddon.

When the world takes the mark of the beast which will be a device under the skin that will have information about them including finances for no person can buy or sell without the mark, and will be a tracking device to try to cut down on crime.

Then the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in and Israel as a nation will be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Pilgrimshope and randyk It's really never been about the law.Even the bible say the law was for trangressers.Once your willing to head in the direction of god the rules are just there as a guide.This was true in the old and new testament.

yeah I agree the law was only for this fallen world and the land of Israel never offered salvsrion , but it was necassary to precede the gospel for this reason

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man had to know what sin is and that it’s certain death or we could never have been brought to repentance through the gospel

What I’m mean is until we understood what sin is and it’s ugly nature in detail this wouldn’t have worked

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is an important part of Gods plan , it just isn’t the part that offers salvstion it brings us to the point where we need a savior and redemption all the word has it’s place and function.

man became sinners but we didn’t know what sin was or that it is death until ten law taught us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I just wish you'd provided some proof for your position.

The proof is in the entire book of Daniel. In this book the Roman Empire is succeeded by the empire of the Antichrist. And since the Roman empire has been absent for centuries, we are to expect the empire of the Antichrist in the future -- "the prince that shall come" -- also called "the Little Horn" and other names and titles. And unless you factor in the Abomination of Desolation, your interpretation cannot be true.

In the Olivet Discourse, the Lord Jesus Christ prophesied the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. At the same time, He prophesied the erection of the Abomination of Desolation at a future date, and then tied it to the Great Tribulation. Which automatically cancels your interpretation. Please note:

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE IN 70 AD PROPHESIED BY CHRIST
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION TO BE IN THE THIRD TEMPLE OF THE FUTURE
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [see 2 Thessalonians for confirmation which ties this to the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition]

THE UNPRECEDENTED GREAT TRIBULATION TO FOLLOW THIS
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[randyk]

well The point was the promise to Abraham was the gospel , and you were saying ( I thought ) that when israel rejected Jesus they are later going to somehow be restored by some other promise ?

but the gospel is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham for all nations was the point it’s all explained in the chapter itself and doesn’t need interpretation Was kind of what I was saying

I have "good communication" days and "bad communication" days. Sorry, I meant to say that the promise of Israel's restoration is bound up in the promise God gave to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The initial promises God made to Abraham was that he enjoy a posterity, which would become a nation. And this nation would somehow continue, in some form, forever.

There may not be actual nations in eternity--I just don't know. But I know that nationhood is something I believe Israel must return to before the age of eternity begins. And so, I think Israel will be restored after the 2nd Coming in a literal Millennium.

but yes I know that you know scripture like many others do. I was wondering about what you were interpreting about israel being restored in a different way just before he returns based on the wuote there from Galatians three

I'm not sure what I said, but I believe that in the present age, the Kingdom of God (in its earthly sense) was taken from Israel and given to the Roman nation, also known as Europe. From there the Gospel has gone out to the rest of the world, sometimes to whole nations and sometimes only to remnants of nations.

But Israel will have its national status returned after serving this period of "non-nationality" in the NT period. This period of punishment is a consequence of the generation that rejected Christ, even though many generations since that time do not have a clue who Jesus was and what his Gospel really means to them. And so, Israel will be reinstated, after those who remain adamant among the Jews against Christ are judged and removed.

was making the point that it’s saying the promise is the gospel , and the seed promised is Christ , and getting baptized into Christ makes us Abraham’s seed and the heirs. And there’s no other inheritance to be had

The promise to Abraham, from my perspective, was 2-fold. There was the promise of a biological nation for Abraham, which became Israel. And then there was the promise of a multitude of nations, which I believe are the Christian nations, beginning in Europe. Though these have all fallen in their turn, I believe Christ will come back to bind Satan to keep him from overthrowing Christian nations, and to enable Israel to return to him forever.

 

[randyk]

The proof is in the entire book of Daniel. In this book the Roman Empire is succeeded by the empire of the Antichrist. And since the Roman empire has been absent for centuries, we are to expect the empire of the Antichrist in the future -- "the prince that shall come" -- also called "the Little Horn" and other names and titles. And unless you factor in the Abomination of Desolation, your interpretation cannot be true.

In the Olivet Discourse, the Lord Jesus Christ prophesied the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. At the same time, He prophesied the erection of the Abomination of Desolation at a future date, and then tied it to the Great Tribulation. Which automatically cancels your interpretation. Please note:

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE IN 70 AD PROPHESIED BY CHRIST
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION TO BE IN THE THIRD TEMPLE OF THE FUTURE
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [see 2 Thessalonians for confirmation which ties this to the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition]

THE UNPRECEDENTED GREAT TRIBULATION TO FOLLOW THIS
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Once again, you provide zero proof for your position. You are just asserting that if the passage does not read the way you want it to be read, then it is "false." I could say the same thing. If you read the AoD as something still future, then your position is "false." You see--no proof!

In fact, I would argue with some actual substance. The AoD in context refers to an Army surrounding Jerusalem in 70 AD. I know that because in the same place Luke describes this as a "surrounding Army" Matthew and Mark describe it as the AoD! And so, the AoD = the surrounding Army of Rome in 66-70 AD.

In the same way Dan 9 describes the AoD, which Jesus references in the same Discourse. Daniel described it as the destruction of the "city and the sanctuary"--something that we know from history took place in 70 AD. Therefore, it is not a future event. Dan 9 largely refers to the time leading up to Christ's earthly ministry, the time when he is "cut off." Therefore, the AoD, which is in the same prophecy, likely referred to the event that immediately followed Christ's death, which was the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

 

[randyk]

Pilgrimshope and randyk It's really never been about the law.Even the bible say the law was for trangressers.Once your willing to head in the direction of god the rules are just there as a guide.This was true in the old and new testament.

We are not under the Law of Moses, which regardless was only for Israel. However, the New Covenant system of Christ is clearly lawful. It does not require that we keep God's laws to be saved. But it requires that we be willing to follow Christ's laws, which is to believe in him, that he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Clearly, this requires repentance and a turn to righteousness, or lawfulness.

But I get it. Salvation cannot be based on law, or we would all be lost. One failure under God's Law, and we are separated from the holy God forever. Redemption, however, allows us to return to lawfulness.