The Rapture

[Roadkill]

The test of a prophet in Biblical times is 100% accuracy. Any failure at all had them killed. If it fails shall we kill him?

Yes this is true I know. Don't think I got to worry about it though. I can only report what I've been told being I challenged the Angel I did what I know to verify his position with God.

I worry more about God's approval than death at man's hand. I'm anonymous for the protection of my family. Will remain so even after May when this comes to pass. You think you guys are rough? Satanic people will destroy my family and I if they find who I am.

 

[louis]

They flee as to not be killed, but Jesus shows up a very short time after they flee. (i know not how long that is between them fleeing and Jesus showing up to Rapture the Church, but i do know it is a very short time, days, a week, maybe a month, don't know)


Nobody said that what is to come in the end is going to be easy to believe, now did they?


^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

[/QUOTE] Hello DiscipleDave, The travailing woman in Revelation 12:14 flees into the wilderness for 3.5 times.
Revelation 12:6 describes these 3.5 times as 1,260 days, thereby designating each time as 360 days (or a shortened year).
The only other areas in the bible where 3.5 times appear are in Daniel 7:25 and 12:7.
In Daniel 7:25, the little horn, aka the mouth of the fourth beast with ten horns, wears out the saints over 3.5 times.
The remnant saints who make it through the tribulation period of 3.5 times in Daniel 7, receive a blessing on day 1335 in Daniel 12:12.
It is my view that this blessing on day 1335 represents the surviving saints being spiritually caught up to the Lord, or what many refer to as the rapture.
There is additional corroboration for this in Micah 5:3, where the travailing woman after conceiving, the Lord then begins to reign on earth through the remnant saints. This further supports Revelation 12 where after the woman has conceived of a man child, and the man child is caught up to God in heaven, the Lord then commences to reign on the earth (Revelation 12:10).


Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

 

[Roadkill]

So what authority do you advocate? Any person claiming to have some contact with heaven? How many prophets have there been since the canon was closed? There have been many false prophets but no real ones that iIknow of!

I recognize the authority of Jehovah Sabaoth (the Father), Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit ( no man knows his name, will remain a closely guarded secret until God's timing. Believe me I asked. Was told NONYA! Lol This Angel had four responses to questions I ask him.

He'll tell me the information is available to me and makes me research it and then verifies it when I've found it. This I find to be the most aggravating response because it's very time consuming for me to find some of these things.

He'll give me the answer.

He won't give me the answer and even sometimes tells me I'm not even allowed to repeat the question to another human being.

He'll tell me to wait on the answer because he must speak to God directly to get permission to give me the answer or not.

 

[Roadkill]

So what authority do you advocate? Any person claiming to have some contact with heaven? How many prophets have there been since the canon was closed? There have been many false prophets but no real ones that iIknow of!

Sorry misunderstood you question. I have no authority. Just someone who has gotten a piece of info all Christians have been searching for from the ascension of Jesus Christ.

 

[Roadkill]

Part of the Mormon religion is that Jesus was just a good man. Therefore rejecting Jesus as God incarnate makes them not Christian. That comes from the other books they claim to be from God. In point of fact the book of Mormon claims to be written in a part of the US but archaeology proved it wrong. That community never existed where it claimed to exist. Find out what you are talking about first. You seem to be easily led astray from the facts in the Bible.

Moroni is a fallen Angel. He doesn't follow Satan but he is still not from God anymore. The Rule of 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3 will apply to him as well. He will not confess Jesus as God's Christ.

 

[Endoscopy]

I recognize the authority of Jehovah Sabaoth (the Father), Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit ( no man knows his name, will remain a closely guarded secret until God's timing. Believe me I asked. Was told NONYA! Lol This Angel had four responses to questions I ask him.

He'll tell me the information is available to me and makes me research it and then verifies it when I've found it. This I find to be the most aggravating response because it's very time consuming for me to find some of these things.

He'll give me the answer.

He won't give me the answer and even sometimes tells me I'm not even allowed to repeat the question to another human being.

He'll tell me to wait on the answer because he must speak to God directly to get permission to give me the answer or not.

Why use the name Jehovah Saboath? Here is some Hebrew and Latin language information. The name of God is YHWH (Biblical Hebrew had no vowels). That going into the Latin Vulgate becomes JHVH from which Jehovah comes from. Latin has no Y or W and J is pronounced like a Y and a V is pronounced like a W. An angel of God would use the proper name of God. Probably pronounced Yehowah. Therefore I totally reject the assertion that an angel of God spoke to you.

 

[Endoscopy]

Moroni is a fallen Angel. He doesn't follow Satan but he is still not from God anymore. The Rule of 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3 will apply to him as well. He will not confess Jesus as God's Christ.

As I previously stated I totally reject the books of Mormon. They were supposedly written by people living in the continental US and were visited by Jesus. Archaeology proves the Bible is 100% accurate. Archaeology proves the book of Mormon is false. Also the book of Mormon claims Jesus was just a man. Thus Mormons are not Christians. For those two reasons I totally reject it.

 

[Roadkill]

Why use the name Jehovah Saboath? Here is some Hebrew and Latin language information. The name of God is YHWH (Biblical Hebrew had no vowels). That going into the Latin Vulgate becomes JHVH from which Jehovah comes from. Latin has no Y or W and J is pronounced like a Y and a V is pronounced like a W. An angel of God would use the proper name of God. Probably pronounced Yehowah. Therefore I totally reject the assertion that an angel of God spoke to you.

Jehovah Sabaoth means "God Lord of Hosts". This Angel is a Cherubim and carries a sword at his side. I do believe he is In that host. So I reject your theory.

 

[Roadkill]

Why use the name Jehovah Saboath? Here is some Hebrew and Latin language information. The name of God is YHWH (Biblical Hebrew had no vowels). That going into the Latin Vulgate becomes JHVH from which Jehovah comes from. Latin has no Y or W and J is pronounced like a Y and a V is pronounced like a W. An angel of God would use the proper name of God. Probably pronounced Yehowah. Therefore I totally reject the assertion that an angel of God spoke to you.

God is describe by more names than that friend. Look them up. Dr. David Jeremiah described the Holy Trinity best as follows:

Yahweh is God...............Yahwey is not Jesus or the Holy Ghost
Jesus is God..................Jesus is not Yahwey or the Holy Ghost
The Holy Ghost is God....The Holy Ghost is not Yahwey or Jesus

 

[notuptome]

Jehovah Sabaoth means "God Lord of Hosts". This Angel is a Cherubim and carries a sword at his side. I do believe he is In that host. So I reject your theory.

LOL thanks for the chuckle.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Endoscopy]

Jehovah Sabaoth means "God Lord of Hosts". This Angel is a Cherubim and carries a sword at his side. I do believe he is In that host. So I reject your theory.

Not my theory but facts from the Bible.

https://www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html

Question: "What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton?"

Answer: The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

 

[tanakh]

Apart from Jesus the last Prophet was John the Baptist. Prophets were used to prepare Israel for the Christs first coming

 

[Endoscopy]

In latin which I took in school there is no Y and J is pronounced like a Y. There is no W and V is pronounced like a W. The word
Jehovah comes from the Latin Vulgate translation into English. YHWH became JHVH.

 

[Endoscopy]

Apart from Jesus the last Prophet was John the Baptist. Prophets were used to prepare Israel for the Christs first coming

You forget the disciple John who wrote Revelation.

 

[MHz]

You forget the disciple John who wrote Revelation.

The Gospel of John and the Revelations of John are referencing John the Baptist as it was the UN-named disciple that he told to follow Jesus was Mary of Bethany. You would think that little mystery should be solved before tacking the end time prophecies as there are quite a few of them. I can understand why the RCC would want to keep that under the radar.

2Jo:1:1:
The elder unto the elect lady and her children,
whom I love in the truth;
and not I only,
but also all they that have known the truth;

This verse is for after Satan is in the fiery lake.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

 

[PlainWord]

Apart from Jesus the last Prophet was John the Baptist. Prophets were used to prepare Israel for the Christs first coming

Peter, Paul, John and others had a few things to say after Christ. Besides, "prophet" is also "teacher."

 

[PlainWord]

I keep saying, it's all about audience integrity. Here are some examples of my futurists friend losing audience integrity:

...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...

Q: Who was to have the "blessed hope" of seeing the God and Christ appear, Titus or people thousands of years into the future?

...and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels...

Q: Which "troubled" people were to get rest, the Church of the Thessalonians in the first century or some future troubled Church that Paul didn't write to?

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.

Q: Who also sees Him, the Roman solders who pierced Him or their descendants thousands of year later working in a pizza shop in Italy having had nothing to do with killing Christ?

And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.

Q: Which tribes mourn, the Tribes of Israel who didn't realize they had missed their Messiah or would it be Cherokee and Sioux Indians or Aborigines perhaps who until recently didn't know anything about Jesus?

Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” [SUP]64 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Q: Who was to see Christ coming on the clouds of heaven, the Sanhedrin who challenged and arrested Him or some future generation thousands of years later who had nothing to do with it?

Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, [SUP]35 [/SUP]that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Q: Who were sent prophets? Who murdered them? Who is to be held accountable for all the righteous blood shed on the earth, the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day or some future people thousands of years into the future who had nothing to do with killing prophets?

And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

Q: Is the above from Rev 18 connected in any way with the previous passage from Mt 23 or will there be a future city guilty of killing future prophets and saints? If you answer "future" then where was the warning for the first century murders of saints and prophets?

Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Q: Which generation would "all these things" come upon, the one Jesus was speaking to, or some future generation thousands of years later?

See! Your house is left to you desolate; [SUP]39 [/SUP]for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Q: What house is to be left desolate? Who shall see Him no more, the scribes and Pharisees, or some future generation thousands of years later not mentioned in the passage?

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Q: Jesus seems to repeat His statement from Mt 23 in Mt 24. Can we assume He is speaking to and about the same generation?

Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you?

Q: Which generation was faithless and perverse?

Do any of these passages even hint at some future, unrelated generation thousands of years later?

I say again, AUDIENCE INTEGRITY. Understand what was happening back then and what happened in 70 AD to the unbelieving, faithless and wicked nation of Israel.

 

[Roadkill]

Not my theory but facts from the Bible.

https://www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html

Question: "What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton?"

Answer: The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.

The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

What's your point? You think God has only one title? You think we are the only race of beings? You think he doesn't have other names that these beings can pronounce as of some we can not? Your whole thesis is to discredit. Not to give me a lesson of God's names and titles. Try saying God's name in English without vowels. How's that work out for you? You think the rest of the human race doesn't know God because we all pronounce his name differently? Here's one for you, Jesus' name in Hebrew means "God Saves". This is Joshua in our tongue. Not Yeshua like the Jews who want to discredit him call him. This is actually pronounced Zsashua in Old and I mean Very Old Hebrew. Much like Zsa Zsa Gabor's name is pronounced.

But besides all of this God knows what's in your heart and knows who you are praying to in the spirit. So why all of the Lagalism from you? Oh that's right, to discredit a being whom you say is not one of God's Angels or to say I am Lying.
Wait until after May friend and then what are you going to try when and if this comes to pass?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Gospel of John and the Revelations of John are referencing John the Baptist as it was the UN-named disciple that he told to follow Jesus was Mary of Bethany. You would think that little mystery should be solved before tacking the end time prophecies as there are quite a few of them. I can understand why the RCC would want to keep that under the radar.

Where are you getting this little tale from? It sounds like you've been reading Gnostic "Gospels"

 

[Locutus]

I keep saying, it's all about audience integrity. Here are some examples of my futurists friend losing audience integrity:

...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ...

Q: Who was to have the "blessed hope" of seeing the God and Christ appear, Titus or people thousands of years into the future?

...and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels...

Q: Which "troubled" people were to get rest, the Church of the Thessalonians in the first century or some future troubled Church that Paul didn't write to?

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.

Q: Who also sees Him, the Roman solders who pierced Him or their descendants thousands of year later working in a pizza shop in Italy having had nothing to do with killing Christ?

And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.

Q: Which tribes mourn, the Tribes of Israel who didn't realize they had missed their Messiah or would it be Cherokee and Sioux Indians or Aborigines perhaps who until recently didn't know anything about Jesus?

Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” [SUP]64 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Q: Who was to see Christ coming on the clouds of heaven, the Sanhedrin who challenged and arrested Him or some future generation thousands of years later who had nothing to do with it?

Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, [SUP]35 [/SUP]that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Q: Who were sent prophets? Who murdered them? Who is to be held accountable for all the righteous blood shed on the earth, the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day or some future people thousands of years into the future who had nothing to do with killing prophets?

And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

Q: Is the above from Rev 18 connected in any way with the previous passage from Mt 23 or will there be a future city guilty of killing future prophets and saints? If you answer "future" then where was the warning for the first century murders of saints and prophets?

Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Q: Which generation would "all these things" come upon, the one Jesus was speaking to, or some future generation thousands of years later?

See! Your house is left to you desolate; [SUP]39 [/SUP]for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Q: What house is to be left desolate? Who shall see Him no more, the scribes and Pharisees, or some future generation thousands of years later not mentioned in the passage?

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Q: Jesus seems to repeat His statement from Mt 23 in Mt 24. Can we assume He is speaking to and about the same generation?

Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you?

Q: Which generation was faithless and perverse?

Do any of these passages even hint at some future, unrelated generation thousands of years later?

I say again, AUDIENCE INTEGRITY. Understand what was happening back then and what happened in 70 AD to the unbelieving, faithless and wicked nation of Israel.

Good luck with getting people to address audience relevance PL.