The meaning of salvation

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Bob-Carabbio

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do you have your own faith in believing in Jesus?
FAITH (Biblical faith) is ALWAYS the result of God's WORD to you (Rom 10:17) and salvation is Eph 2:8,9.

The Bible is a little tricky, and many times "Believe" should actually be understood as: "HAVE FAITH". "Believe in your heart" = "Have FAITH" (as in Mark 11:22-24). Basically, Heb 11:1 gives the two aspects that FAITH MUST HAVE: it must have Substance, and be an EVIDENCE. The SUBSTANCE of FAITH is God's WORD to you.

Belief (Intellectual assent) has neither. Belief has NO SUBSTANCE, and is evidence of NOTHING.
 

FredVB

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Salvation is provided with God's grace, through what Christ has done, to us with our response of faith that was made possible, which is always with repentance, in which we turn from sins to no longer be separate from God but be restored to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord, who says what we should observe.
 

Chester

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To be clear, it is the Holy Spirit baptism that cleanses one from sin. Water baptism does not save us.
To be more correct, I think it is the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses us from sin: though this occurs at the same time as we are baptized with the Holy Spirit.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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To be more correct, I think it is the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses us from sin: though this occurs at the same time as we are baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Word definitions are the issue here.

To the Pentecostal, "Baptised in the Holy Spirit" refers to the Acts 2:4 experience, whereas John 20:22 records the point at which the disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy Spirit, which is what made them Christians.

The effects of John 20:22 are recorded in Luke 24:45 - i.e. their UNDERSTANDING of the scriptures was opened.

Acts 2:4 is different - Jesus used the word "Endued" ("Clothed with" luke 24:49) power, which is the Holy Spirit UPON the disciples, who were ALREADY INFILLED by the Holy Spirit. So John 20:22 is an "Infilling", and Acts 2:4 is a "Baptism").
 

Soyeong

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The definition of salvation , according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance"

there is a one time eternal deliverance that happened on the cross by Jesus remitting the sins of those that his Father gave him.

There will never be any other eternal deliverance's given as Jesus stated, while on the cross, "it is finished" meaning that the purpose of God sending him to earth as a man was finished on the cross.

If the scriptures are interpreted right, there are many deliverance's (salvation's) for his elect, as they sojourn here in earth, by their good works

Eternal deliverance is given by God's grace. The other deliverance's are earned by the good works of God's born again elect.
Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while we continued to live in sin, so there must also be an aspect of our salvation that we are experiencing in the present by Jesus leading us to obey God's law. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is not the case that we are required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and it is not the case that we are required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to experience being doers of those works is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. Moreover, in Titus 2:14, it does not just say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where being required to do that work does not detract from the fact that the opportunity to drive it was completely given as a free gift. Likewise, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), not for how to earn eternal life as a wage.