The Mark Of The Beast Won't Be Forced, But Willfully Received, By Deception In False Miracles
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If Jesus is like us in every way but without sin, how could He have a body of death?
If Jesus' inherited the consequences of Adam's sin, how can he be the second Adam?
If Jesus inherited a body of death why didn't it suffer corruption in the tomb?
If Jesus' body inherited death why would He want it for eternity? Why would we want to be it's members? Why didn't death have a hold on it?
If Jesus' body was a body of sin why does the bible describe Him to be without sin?
If Jesus' inherited the consequences of Adam's sin, how can he be the second Adam?
If Jesus inherited a body of death why didn't it suffer corruption in the tomb?
If Jesus' body inherited death why would He want it for eternity? Why would we want to be it's members? Why didn't death have a hold on it?
If Jesus' body was a body of sin why does the bible describe Him to be without sin?
Being born into this world provided a body of death
Jesus' inherited the corrupted flesh of this corrupted world form his mother .Son of mankind.
He did not do the will of the flesh but rather the will of the unseen Holy Father. The same powerful will we are under.
Not the will of Pope he follows the will of Adam. No faith.
To not suffer corruption in the tomb indicates the work of the father working with Jesus strengthening Him to complete the will of God that did work in Jesus to both will and perform the good pleasure of God.
He kept the body of Lazarus from not sufferings corruption totally never to rise again for four days .
A body of death would begin to decay immediately after the soul departs. Death has a hold on a body that inherited death. Jesus' body knew no corruption because it did not rebel against Jesus' will. It had no other law to obey like ours. The Body of Christ has but one master. The will ofthe soul that animated it.
Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he abandoned to the netherworld nor did his flesh see corruption.
Acts 2:31
he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he abandoned to the netherworld nor did his flesh see corruption.
Yes he did not die never to rise. The father strengthened Jesus preventing it from corruption totally. It was a living sacrifice. The work of two the father and the Son. Not Jesus mother and the son .
The Holy Father poured out his unseen spirit on sinful corrupted flesh . The Son' of man Jesus knew no sin. He did the will of the Holy Father .Not in Rome. One is in heaven
He was born in a body of sin .It aged as in dying. No power from birth, a corrupted body ,but rather holiness of Spirit not seen .No such thing as holiness of corrupted flesh and blood.
Catholics like Peter accredited a body of death as never dying. JW's have a similar false hope these bodies will last forever. Even knowing flesh and blood could never enter new life. Peter started a lying rumor as a oral tradition of the fathers. Jesus said to Peter. If every time he had to dispel the lie as a law of the fathers that they must call apostolic succession , we would need a bigger earth to store the volumes that could of been written.
Catholic use that same verse turning it upside down to support the queen of heaven. Pretending that Mary did not live in a corruptible body and therefore support the oral traditions of there fathers (legion)
John 21:23-25 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
The Holy Father poured out his unseen spirit on sinful corrupted flesh . The Son' of man Jesus knew no sin. He did the will of the Holy Father .Not in Rome. One is in heaven
He was born in a body of sin .It aged as in dying. No power from birth, a corrupted body ,but rather holiness of Spirit not seen .No such thing as holiness of corrupted flesh and blood.
Catholics like Peter accredited a body of death as never dying. JW's have a similar false hope these bodies will last forever. Even knowing flesh and blood could never enter new life. Peter started a lying rumor as a oral tradition of the fathers. Jesus said to Peter. If every time he had to dispel the lie as a law of the fathers that they must call apostolic succession , we would need a bigger earth to store the volumes that could of been written.
Catholic use that same verse turning it upside down to support the queen of heaven. Pretending that Mary did not live in a corruptible body and therefore support the oral traditions of there fathers (legion)
John 21:23-25 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
You know, what's a little corruption gonna hurt? It's not totally corrupted. Yeah we can let that little bit of corruption be. After the resurrection Jesus will smell a little off. Forever.
But really. Jesus was able to return to the very same body that was walking the earth a few days before. If His Body decayed even a little Either corruption is raised to glory or Jesus didn't resurrect. Death has no hold on Jesus.
But really. Jesus was able to return to the very same body that was walking the earth a few days before. If His Body decayed even a little Either corruption is raised to glory or Jesus didn't resurrect. Death has no hold on Jesus.
Sorry what you said is not true..well you left out. Those that do not worship the beast will be killed. "He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed"
So yes they all have a choice you worship it or you die. I guess one could play with the words but .. it is forced. The word of God also says those that are written in the lambs book will not worship the beast only those that are not written will worship it.
Now the mark of the beast. Some say its not a real mark on forehead or hand. Now the problem there is.. those that have this mark? Get a sore "Then all those who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped its idol got sores that were ugly and painful." "and departed the first and poured out the bowl his upon [to] the earth. And came a sore evil and grievous upon [idem] the men the having the mark of the beast and teh image his worshiping.
For me its very clear what is written. Those that have the mark will have a grievous sore.
So yes they all have a choice you worship it or you die. I guess one could play with the words but .. it is forced. The word of God also says those that are written in the lambs book will not worship the beast only those that are not written will worship it.
Now the mark of the beast. Some say its not a real mark on forehead or hand. Now the problem there is.. those that have this mark? Get a sore "Then all those who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped its idol got sores that were ugly and painful." "and departed the first and poured out the bowl his upon [to] the earth. And came a sore evil and grievous upon [idem] the men the having the mark of the beast and teh image his worshiping.
For me its very clear what is written. Those that have the mark will have a grievous sore.
We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Not after the avenues of this world system.(1 John) Lust of the eye , lust of the flesh the false power of false pride of this life...
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
The temporal mark of the beast .(Not a seal ) It is the mark of Cain a restless wander no sabbath rest yoked with Christ like Abel the first martyr prophet sent with the gospel . The mark of mark my word. . it will come to pass.
Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Cain plowed Abel under. Establishing the foundation of paganism . Out of sight out of mind. No faith needed.
When a person becomes born again the temporal mark of God's promise disappears and is replace with the seal of God approval
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
I would think looking for a literal mark, A sore. tattoo, electronic bar code , retina ID 666 etc is simply a lying wonder. The kind God sends a strong delusion to believe the lie.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The last sign and wonder was fulfilled at the cross.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
The temporal mark of the beast .(Not a seal ) It is the mark of Cain a restless wander no sabbath rest yoked with Christ like Abel the first martyr prophet sent with the gospel . The mark of mark my word. . it will come to pass.
Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Cain plowed Abel under. Establishing the foundation of paganism . Out of sight out of mind. No faith needed.
When a person becomes born again the temporal mark of God's promise disappears and is replace with the seal of God approval
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
I would think looking for a literal mark, A sore. tattoo, electronic bar code , retina ID 666 etc is simply a lying wonder. The kind God sends a strong delusion to believe the lie.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
The last sign and wonder was fulfilled at the cross.
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“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Rev 13:15
They do have a choice. Die or conform. This is the choice that the early church had when they were told to worship Caesar as God and deny Christ or be killed, either by sword or fed to beasts etc. Those that chose the easy way out were considered lost to the church. Later after the last Christian persecutions under Diocletian had faded off the scene those who denied Christ to save their necks tried to be admitted back into the church and a long theological argument ensued among the bishops as to whether they should be allowed. It was one of the reasons for some of the first councils in church history.
So yes, it is true that they will be responsible for their choice, and probably the vast majority that receive this mark will do so with enthusiasm, however, the statement in scripture is very clear that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. It is grammatically correct to call that a forced decision. A decision nevertheless.
I agree that being held down and branded by physical force portrayed by any movies one might have seen is not what would condemn someone to the lake of fire.
We are using the word "forced" in two different contexts. Being forced to make a wrong decision because death awaits you if you make the right decision is using the word force in a grammatically correct way (an English Major can correct me if I am wrong)
They do have a choice. Die or conform. This is the choice that the early church had when they were told to worship Caesar as God and deny Christ or be killed, either by sword or fed to beasts etc. Those that chose the easy way out were considered lost to the church. Later after the last Christian persecutions under Diocletian had faded off the scene those who denied Christ to save their necks tried to be admitted back into the church and a long theological argument ensued among the bishops as to whether they should be allowed. It was one of the reasons for some of the first councils in church history.
So yes, it is true that they will be responsible for their choice, and probably the vast majority that receive this mark will do so with enthusiasm, however, the statement in scripture is very clear that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. It is grammatically correct to call that a forced decision. A decision nevertheless.
I agree that being held down and branded by physical force portrayed by any movies one might have seen is not what would condemn someone to the lake of fire.
We are using the word "forced" in two different contexts. Being forced to make a wrong decision because death awaits you if you make the right decision is using the word force in a grammatically correct way (an English Major can correct me if I am wrong)
I disagree,(Should Be Killed) not (Shall Be Killed) it will be his desire, not a mandate.
Gods divine protection during the tribulation, do you have an ear?
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Gods divine protection during the final hour of earth's temptation, prior to the second coming, the church will enter their dwelling, just like the passover in Egypt
Isaiah 26:19-21KJV
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Gods divine protection during the tribulation, do you have an ear?
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Gods divine protection during the final hour of earth's temptation, prior to the second coming, the church will enter their dwelling, just like the passover in Egypt
Isaiah 26:19-21KJV
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
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Martyrdom will be part of the Great Tribulation.
And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands... Rev 20:4
"had been beheaded" not would have been, or might have been. or just an imaginative desire in the mind of the Antichrist.
You quoted Rev 13:9-10 and it is one of the verses that warn the saints during this time not to take up the sword to do battle that way. They must be willing to give their lives for the cause of Christ just as they did in the first century.
And also in Rev 6 we read of martyrs.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
And also we find in Rev 7 a picture of many who seemed to be saved out of the Tribulation and it is not yet over...
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, “Who are these that are arrayed in white robes, and from whence have they come?”
14 And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they that came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple; and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Regardless of your own interpretation of these scriptures there are other possible interpretations.
And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands... Rev 20:4
"had been beheaded" not would have been, or might have been. or just an imaginative desire in the mind of the Antichrist.
You quoted Rev 13:9-10 and it is one of the verses that warn the saints during this time not to take up the sword to do battle that way. They must be willing to give their lives for the cause of Christ just as they did in the first century.
And also in Rev 6 we read of martyrs.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
And also we find in Rev 7 a picture of many who seemed to be saved out of the Tribulation and it is not yet over...
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, “Who are these that are arrayed in white robes, and from whence have they come?”
14 And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they that came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple; and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Regardless of your own interpretation of these scriptures there are other possible interpretations.
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How did I suggest that all Christian's are killed? I don't think all Christians will be killed in the tribulation. The point was that scriptures do paint a picture of a mark to be received upon pain of death if refused. It is grammatically correct to call that force. You probably mean to say they will not be condemned for being held down and have the mark physically applied without their consent and to that I agree.
Once again the scripture reads (Should) not (Shall) it will be a desire not a definite mandate.
The main problem today is the false influence dinspensationalism has brought upon the church, with false fear and propaganda.
I grew up in the 70's as a christian, every Fri, Sat night the movie (A Thief In The Night) was shown, antichrist,death squads, guillotines,100%(Propaganda) just like Tim La Haye and the (Left Behind) series, and people have translated this Sci-Fi as truth.
Truth of the future tribulation is,the (Two Witnesses) seen in Rev 11 will rule through plagues, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, and the church will be divinely protected.
You never hear many speak of Revelation 9, plague so bad men desire death and wont die
Revelation 16 in the vial plagues, blood to water, scorching heat, noisome sores, darkness on the Beast and his kingdom,(Complete Silence) on this biblical truth in deception.
The main problem today is the false influence dinspensationalism has brought upon the church, with false fear and propaganda.
I grew up in the 70's as a christian, every Fri, Sat night the movie (A Thief In The Night) was shown, antichrist,death squads, guillotines,100%(Propaganda) just like Tim La Haye and the (Left Behind) series, and people have translated this Sci-Fi as truth.
Truth of the future tribulation is,the (Two Witnesses) seen in Rev 11 will rule through plagues, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, and the church will be divinely protected.
You never hear many speak of Revelation 9, plague so bad men desire death and wont die
Revelation 16 in the vial plagues, blood to water, scorching heat, noisome sores, darkness on the Beast and his kingdom,(Complete Silence) on this biblical truth in deception.