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I thought the main thing was in the church that people speaking different langauges means things get lost in translation.
even in English we cant agree over things because the langauge is so varied and all embracing that you might say one thing but actually mean another.
This can cause confusion.
I think this is why one of the signs of the holy spirit is that we speak with new tongues. Even if we dont know what we are saying, its the spirit speaking. And that leads us to all truth.
Langauge can be so inadequate sometimes and we mangle it.
even in English we cant agree over things because the langauge is so varied and all embracing that you might say one thing but actually mean another.
This can cause confusion.
I think this is why one of the signs of the holy spirit is that we speak with new tongues. Even if we dont know what we are saying, its the spirit speaking. And that leads us to all truth.
Langauge can be so inadequate sometimes and we mangle it.
Could you help a fellow out and show me a verse in the OT , where they were they were sealed by the Holy Spirit , Had christ ' in them ' , That they were baptised into the body of Christ , seated in heavenly places , predestined to the Adoption, Chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth ?
I would say it was more like Heb 11:6 ...
Again, all I am saying is that we do not know what Adam taught Seth. We do know from Job's statement that OT believers had faith in their Redeemer ... that He would stand at the latter day upon the earth ... that after their bodies were destroyed they would still, in their flesh, see God.
Do you agree with Job?
I believe the same as Job and it appears to me that his friends also believed because none of them called Job a heretic for believing these things concerning his Redeemer.
Again, all I am saying is that we do not know what Adam taught Seth. We do know from Job's statement that OT believers had faith in their Redeemer ... that He would stand at the latter day upon the earth ... that after their bodies were destroyed they would still, in their flesh, see God.
Do you agree with Job?
I believe the same as Job and it appears to me that his friends also believed because none of them called Job a heretic for believing these things concerning his Redeemer.
I'm sorry for the confusion. (each time I read these they seem to change...or I haven't had my coffee.) Looking at them closely with coffee...
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same. (Yes)
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week. (NO)
3) Loss of salvation during the church age . (NO)
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines. (It shouldn't be).
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today (NO)
6) Lordship salvation (again, it depends what is meant).
Again, sorry to all about the confusion.
1 ) Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation are the same. (Yes)
2) Teaching the Church will go through Daniel’s Seventieth Week. (NO)
3) Loss of salvation during the church age . (NO)
4) The book of Acts used for doctrines. (It shouldn't be).
5) Acts 2.38 as the plan of salvation for today (NO)
6) Lordship salvation (again, it depends what is meant).
Again, sorry to all about the confusion.
Ok, but the conversion to Christianity is the same for an ethnic Jew as it is for a gentile.
I mean, why would someone repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ if they didn't truly believe in Jesus?
I'm not sure if your reason is a valid reason for rejecting Acts as useful for doctrine, but thank you for sharing your opinion.
I mean, why would someone repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ if they didn't truly believe in Jesus?
I'm not sure if your reason is a valid reason for rejecting Acts as useful for doctrine, but thank you for sharing your opinion.
Its useful to understand how God was working and transitioning with the Acts of the apostles. But Acts 2 38 for example is not the order of salvation for us today .
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38¶Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Baptism to recieve the Holy Spirit ?
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38¶Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Baptism to recieve the Holy Spirit ?
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No not regenerated. That promise came later e.g....
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:33)
Nicodemus had no clue about regeneration, but should had known his Prophets.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:33)
Nicodemus had no clue about regeneration, but should had known his Prophets.
It simply means that sinners must receive Jesus as BOTH Lord and Christ: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)
This is not just for "the house of Israel" but for the whole world. And it prevents Easy Believism, since Christ demands to be both Lord and Christ in one's life.
There are many (some here) who hate this idea, but it is God's truth. Even the converted thief on the cross addressed Christ as "Lord". And there is no salvation without receiving Him as Lord: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom 10:9,13)
Because Christ rose from the dead, He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ". Not merely "Jesus" (as so many preachers say).
This is not just for "the house of Israel" but for the whole world. And it prevents Easy Believism, since Christ demands to be both Lord and Christ in one's life.
There are many (some here) who hate this idea, but it is God's truth. Even the converted thief on the cross addressed Christ as "Lord". And there is no salvation without receiving Him as Lord: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom 10:9,13)
Because Christ rose from the dead, He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ". Not merely "Jesus" (as so many preachers say).