I'm confused. Scripture provides us will many, many different ways to determine, or judge, if we have crossed over from death to Life. Are you suggesting that we should not utilize these tests? For example:
1 John 3:14 NET - "We know that we have crossed over from death to life because we love our fellow Christians. The one who does not love remains in death."
The way people, here, berate and belittle the Brothers and Sisters without shame could use the above Scripture to determine their current position with God. These judgments regarding our Salvation must be made.
Or, are you suggesting that Judgment regarding Salvation is DETERMINED by God?
“I'm confused. Scripture provides us will many, many different ways to determine, or judge, if we have crossed over from death to Life. Are you suggesting that we should not utilize these tests?”
I’m saying we aren’t the judge of anyone’s salvation the bible
Makes this very clear Jesus is every mans judge between themself and God independent from anyone else in the end we all Have to do this
“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for
we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And
every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:10-12 KJV
I’m saying Jesus is my judge and he is the only one who can give eternal life to
Anyone . His judgements arent hidden or somehow need high iq To understand but just a willingness to hear what our lord said before he shed his blood for us
he’s the lord our judge and his eternal words are recorded in four volumes in the Bible , along with the accounts of his bloodshed
I’m simply saying I can’t tell
You if I’m saved , or if your saved Jesus will Make that judgement at the appointed time for each one of us. And our judgement will be like he said it’s going to be according to hearing and believing the gospel he sent into the world offering eternal life to all who believe in his shed blood for sin and resurrection to life all who believe the gospel “ shall Be saved “ is his judgement we’re just sharing it
“And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
This person now can start to
believe unto salvation. The gospel teaches them this to
believe
“And
as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must
the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For
God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:14-16
“Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:29 KJV
“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
John 14:1-3 KJV
as we hear these things our lord said and sent out to all People to hear and believe it begins to help us understand God the father who we can trust and believe upon and Hope in for our salvation .
This Pushes us along into this eventually as we start to grow
“It is written in the prophets,
And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father,
cometh unto me.”
John 6:45
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed
all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life….
For as the Father hath life in himself;
so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:22, 24, 26-27 KJV
“And
why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and
heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a
man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that
heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that
without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and
the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
these challenges To our belief make our faith grow to active living faith and repentance start to become reality as we accept them our judgement is also growing
“He that rejecteth me, and
receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50
as we believe we hear ( accept and acknowledge ) his word and faith grows and we become more able to stand against the devils tricks and plots in the world. It’s about believing but understanding we all Have to face Jesus one day and all we do unless we repent now is going to be part of the judgement we face good or bad.
this should keep us is a hopeful and trusting place but never allowing us to judge salvstion even for our own self
Yes we should Use good Judgement as we learn it of course this would allow us to apply the gospel and christs teachings to our own self first and then sharing it later with others. Never judging anyone’s salvation Christ will
Do that part by whatever knowledge each of us has
some have alot of understanding thier judgement is stricter some don’t understand alot thier judgement is not the same as knowing and still doing wrong as for those who know and still
Willingly do wrong reveling in it’s pleasure.
we have to let Jesus judge us inside because he’s the only one who knows what we actually understand. We should
Believe he’s going to save us always , but when judgement starts to take hold there’s a constant challenge to
Keep Stepping
I guess I’m saying salvstion os
Progressive the more understanding your given the more carefully you learn to walk. I believe I was saved years ago , but I can’t tell you today how the lord will judge me I do believe he’ll save me but he only has that authority