The key to the Pre-Trib Rapture:

[Runningman]

"""If you distinguish tribulation as coming from men from the wrath of God which comes from God then post trib has plenty support."""

Postrib on horses with war like king killing the ac.

Rev 14 has Jesus gathering ripe fruit with a sickle in his hand sitting on a cloud.during the gt

Either that is true and 1 thes is true and we can only have room for a pretrib rapture....or one of them is false and we can no longer trust the bible.

That is what postribbers want us to believe.

The bible is wrong????

Cheidtians will be present for the great tribulation, but the wrath of God will be directed toward those who chose to take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

But this is referring to eternal damnation, not presently on the earth, but the lake of fire.

There will be the wrath of God on Earth at this time and those are described in Revelation, but the church won't be on the receiving end of it.

Don't forget that Satan has wrath, too, and will use it to persecute the church and "make war against the saints." But don't worry the two-witnesses will be there to help.

There will undoubtedly still be some Christian persecution in the great tribulation considering the references to beheaded saints who refused to take the mark of the beast.

 

[Kolistus]

Consider that the verse actually shows these words to be in the PLURAL: "through many [PLURAL] tribulationS [PLURAL]"

Acts 14:22 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)

(we all agree "the Church which is His body" has experienced this ['persecutionS and tribulationS'] throughout its existence on the earth, since the first century... see again 2Th1:4 re: the Thessalonians' own ongoing experiences with this [and the *reason* they found it easy to be persuaded by those telling them "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT indicative]"--they were not being persuaded by "unreasonable" ideas, or things with absolutely no evidence, things that many ppl suggest was meant in this verse, 2Th2:2])

To add to this: This thing played by the post-trib pre-wrath crowd is ridicilous.

To say the first half is world's wrath or satan's wrath and second half is God's wrath is just foolish.

The first seal is opened by who? The Lamb. It is all God's wrath.

They say pre-trib rapture was invented by John Darby, but the post-trib pre-wrath is invented even later than that.

 

[Absolutely]

Cheidtians will be present for the great tribulation, but the wrath of God will be directed toward those who chose to take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

But this is referring to eternal damnation, not presently on the earth, but the lake of fire.

There will be the wrath of God on Earth at this time and those are described in Revelation, but the church won't be on the receiving end of it.

Don't forget that Satan has wrath, too, and will use it to persecute the church and "make war against the saints." But don't worry the two-witnesses will be there to help.

There will undoubtedly still be some Christian persecution in the great tribulation considering the references to beheaded saints who refused to take the mark of the beast.

The innumerable number.

Possibly billions beheaded early on in the trib....and they are in heaven. During the trib.

Pretrib rapture. Followed by the foolish beheaded and joining the bride in heaven. All early on in the trib.

There is no postrib rapture.
Rev 14 Is the last group of the first resurrection.
And that is roughly 2/3 into the gt.

Postribbers have the dead in christ raised after Jesus gathers with a sickle in rev 14

Impossible

 

[Absolutely]

Cheidtians will be present for the great tribulation, but the wrath of God will be directed toward those who chose to take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

But this is referring to eternal damnation, not presently on the earth, but the lake of fire.

There will be the wrath of God on Earth at this time and those are described in Revelation, but the church won't be on the receiving end of it.

Don't forget that Satan has wrath, too, and will use it to persecute the church and "make war against the saints." But don't worry the two-witnesses will be there to help.

There will undoubtedly still be some Christian persecution in the great tribulation considering the references to beheaded saints who refused to take the mark of the beast.

I am dumb

I looked up "chiedtians"

I thought it was some amalikites or nephalim or something.
Lol.

 

[Absolutely]

God asked Noah to prepare an ark for the coming flood. Could God have taken Noah away? Yes, but God didn't and God used the work of Noah for multiple reasons. God didn't need an Ark to protect His people and animals but Noah still had to do all that work.

We need to do a great work to be ready and to prepare for the flood that is coming. God will protect His people but not by flashing them away.
Zec_13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

And yet he did flash away lot, noah , and the baby Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

I am dumb

I looked up "chiedtians"

I thought it was some amalikites or nephalim or something.
Lol.

Sorry typo. I saw it after and couldn't edit it. Yes I meant Christians.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh
There is so many variables....
The doctrines, beliefs about things are so different because everything has to fit according to the different starting points.

The secret rapture was invented like a fairy tale, so if that is the start of the problem it is built on sand.

Pretrib rapture is easy to defend.

My starting place is the rapture verses, Jesus first miracle, and the bride/ groom component


Postrib rapture has no such dynamic.
Postrib teachers NEVER go there.

Postrib rapture has no verses.
I have offered the rapture challenge and no postrib rapture adherent has ever found one postrib rapture verse.

Maybe you have one???

I invite you to post one.

 

[Absolutely]

Sorry typo. I saw it after and couldn't edit it. Yes I meant Christians.

I just got an lg phone.
I had to disable spell check.
It was making up all kinds of words.

I just do my own now

I am selling this phone on ebay
One day soon.

Need a samsung or emoto.

Most of my posts are on my phone.
Kinda tedious.
Keypad too small

 

[Runningman]

The innumerable number.

Possibly billions beheaded early on in the trib....and they are in heaven. During the trib.

Pretrib rapture. Followed by the foolish beheaded and joining the bride in heaven. All early on in the trib.

There is no postrib rapture.
Rev 14 Is the last group of the first resurrection.
And that is roughly 2/3 into the gt.

Postribbers have the dead in christ raised after Jesus gathers with a sickle in rev 14

Impossible

Revelation 13 describes the Great Tribulation, yeah?

Revelation 14 describes the coming of Christ?

That would make the rapture post-tribulation.

 

[cv5]

You are so miss led and wrong.

I will have to confess that I think of myself as being included in this category blessed souls....

Matt 13:16-17
“But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
“for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

Matt 13:23
“But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

 

[cv5]

Cheidtians will be present for the great tribulation, but the wrath of God will be directed toward those who chose to take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

But this is referring to eternal damnation, not presently on the earth, but the lake of fire.

There will be the wrath of God on Earth at this time and those are described in Revelation, but the church won't be on the receiving end of it.

Don't forget that Satan has wrath, too, and will use it to persecute the church and "make war against the saints." But don't worry the two-witnesses will be there to help.

There will undoubtedly still be some Christian persecution in the great tribulation considering the references to beheaded saints who refused to take the mark of the beast.

No Christians to be found on earth during the time of the tribulation whatsoever (speaking specifically to the Bride of Christ). There is no reason to believe that the 144,000 Israelites, the group of Rev 6:9 or 7:9 should be identified as Christians per se. Undoubtedly all three groups are guests at the wedding and not the Bride.

 

[Absolutely]

Revelation 13 describes the Great Tribulation, yeah?

Revelation 14 describes the coming of Christ?

That would make the rapture post-tribulation.

No horses.

Totally different appearance.

Can not be the same.

One is a million man army to destroy.
The other is a solo appearance sitting on a cloud with a sickle

 

[cv5]

Cheidtians will be present for the great tribulation, but the wrath of God will be directed toward those who chose to take the mark of the beast.

Revelation 14:9-10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

But this is referring to eternal damnation, not presently on the earth, but the lake of fire.

There will be the wrath of God on Earth at this time and those are described in Revelation, but the church won't be on the receiving end of it.

Don't forget that Satan has wrath, too, and will use it to persecute the church and "make war against the saints." But don't worry the two-witnesses will be there to help.

There will undoubtedly still be some Christian persecution in the great tribulation considering the references to beheaded saints who refused to take the mark of the beast.

Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This punctuating statement should make it clear that there is in fact multiple phases and categories of the first resurrection. As New Testament makes perfectly clear.

 

[Major]

The Final Judgement

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The third and final section of Matthew 25 is a key New Testament passage that includes the sheep and goats judgment after the second coming. This final section of the Olivet Discourse (found only in Matthew) is a difficult passage for some preterists and all posttribulationists to handle. However, the dispensationalist has no problem understanding it since he takes it to mean exactly what it says.

 

[Major]

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation found in scripture, its 3.5 years who you kidding.

Not so.

The "Tribulation" is for SEVEN Years.

Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple, he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (NIV)


The Great Tribulation (Referring to the second half of the seven year period.)
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (KJV)

 

[Major]

What a Kroc, Pre-Trib Rapture, Blinded By John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield

A "croc" is a reptile that lives mostly in Africa I think.

NO one is forcing you to believe it my friend and YOU should not be denoucing those who do!

 

[Major]

What version is that, the amplified children's bible?

Do you really think that the attidue you are presenting is Chriatian or have in some way any intrinsink value????

 

[Truth7t7]

The third and final section of Matthew 25 is a key New Testament passage that includes the sheep and goats judgment after the second coming. This final section of the Olivet Discourse (found only in Matthew) is a difficult passage for some preterists and all posttribulationists to handle. However, the dispensationalist has no problem understanding it since he takes it to mean exactly what it says.

I Agree, It Means Exactly What It Say's

The Sheep/Goats Parable Is The Final Judgement.

The Final Judgement

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you really think that the attidue you are presenting is Chriatian or have in some way any intrinsink value????

I asked a serious question, you didn't respectfully identify you translation used

Children's Paraphrase, JW's New World Translation?

 

[Truth7t7]

A "croc" is a reptile that lives mostly in Africa I think.

NO one is forcing you to believe it my friend and YOU should not be denoucing those who do!

A Kroc is a Kroc, and I denounce the teaching you present, not you