The Holy Spirit convicts of sin

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eternally-gratefull

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What I believe is quite simple, EG knows it because I declare it all the time.
EG hates clarifying his beliefs.
lol..

I have tried to correct your understanding of what I believe for months now.

this is getting on the verge of getting crazy!
 
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Ariel82

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Quoted from PeterJens...


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If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be a lot more robust than this or you do not really have a faith at all."

Translated as..,,

You aren't really a child of God because you have no faith.


Care to clarify what you really mean Peter?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think you've seen enough animals for one day. lol I'm only kidding people, calm down. haha :p
I could say somethign, But I will try to be good, but thanks for the laugh!!
 

Demi777

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Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.
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Chill brother, lets not cause a trumper tantrum in here and get personal. You have more class than that. Its better to take a step back when you get frustrated (and oh I know how frustrating people here can be)
 
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Ariel82

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Quoted from PeterJens....

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What is easier and simpler is to address to op. It appears everyone believe the Holy Spirit does convict of sin.

So Amen, we agree."

Amen to that part at least,

Lol so many cross postings I am getting confused.
 
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Paul Ellis Escape from reality web site on a post May 5 2016 writes this

Unless Michael has had a radical change of heart, it is accurate to say that he disagrees with me when I say: Jesus is a Person, all our sins are forgiven, the Holy Spirit never convicts the believer of sin, God is always pleased with his kids, you are 100% holy, sanctification is wholly by grace, all the words of Jesus are good and relevant for today, the hyper-grace gospel is the only gospel, and you are eternally secure. Feel free to prove me wrong (and I would love to be wrong about MB).

https://escapetoreality.org/2016/05/04/michael-brown-grace-controversy/

Now it is true that people in every movement disagree with particular points by one that has been recurring is about the ministry of the Holy Spirit. If the Lord does not convict of sin which leads to repentance and reconciliation with God who does?
Satan? If satan is convicting people of sin, then surely he is doing Gods work for him and bringing light into darkness?

Various people claimed Hyper-grace do not teach this, yet here is a hyper-grace teacher quoted often by Grace7x77 as the authority on the subject saying exactly that.

So someone is lying and deceiving about their own groups position. Now if people in reality are just generally wallowing about in this or that doctrine as the mood takes them why do they think they are saved at all, because maybe tomorrow their doctrine will be something else.

Now I have had 30+ years of a consistent view of faith, so I find this flip-flopping complete compromise. It is hard to respect "christians" who claim such superiority and condemning me as lost and unchristian yet do not even keep their story consistent.
It takes much more than just believing that Jesus Christ is God, and he came to make it so we can become Children of God. To become a Child of God one has to receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach, and give one the grace to keep God’s Commandments.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

When one is obeying God at all times then he or she becomes a Child of God.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”

Notice if one sins he or she is a child of the devil.
 
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Ariel82

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I'm beginning to understand what this is all about. Many don't like sin exposed out of fear that their sin will be exposed. This seems to be the silent paradigm that rules much of the church. Honor among thieves - don't talk about my sin, and I won't talk about yours.
Wow...not the issue at all, but you can eat the cookies demi have you.

Even Peter sees that exposing sin and learning from God isn't the problem..,we all had an amen about it...
 

BenFTW

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It takes much more than just believing that Jesus Christ is God, and he came to make it so we can become Children of God. To become a Child of God one has to receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach, and give one the grace to keep God’s Commandments.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”

When one is obeying God at all times then he or she becomes a Child of God.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”

Notice if one sins he or she is a child of the devil.
So then, the devil is your father? Is that what you're saying?
 
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Peter time and time again you have come at me and others, with the statement.
"I (peter) KNow what you believe" Or "I Peter Know where you are coming from"
Let me make a bold statement. You agree with hyper-grace in general.
You agree with parts of calvanism and armeniasm. You believe is OSAS and think those who do not are legalists.

Your father was a pastor, and you oppose what his church stands for. You were a legalist but now feel free in the grace you have. Everyday you feel you sin which in your language is do selfish things, for which you feel bad.

You evangelise and want fervently to rid the church of legalism.

Now this is drawn from interactions over the past year. Now you could have moved on some of these, but this is my broad summary of what you have openly declared.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I would rather prove God's truth, but still love you bro.
I would too. But pray that if you say you know what I believe, then prove you do not, you are at least humble enough to say I am sorry, I misunderstood you.. Lets see what we believe, we might believe the same, only use different terms.

Then if you see we do not agree, we can agree to disagree in peace..


vs, being to proud, And say, no, I do not even know what I believe You know me better than myself. and continue to say I am a heretic based on that false view of what I really believe.
 

BenFTW

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Let me make a bold statement. You agree with hyper-grace in general.
You agree with parts of calvanism and armeniasm. You believe is OSAS and think those who do not are legalists.

Your father was a pastor, and you oppose what his church stands for. You were a legalist but now feel free in the grace you have. Everyday you feel you sin which in your language is do selfish things, for which you feel bad.

You evangelise and want fervently to rid the church of legalism.

Now this is drawn from interactions over the past year. Now you could have moved on some of these, but this is my broad summary of what you have openly declared.
Oh, oh!!! My turn, my turn! Do me! :D
 
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Ariel82

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Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.
I will try to use your word to respond and help you understand....

What did you tell me yesterday?

Hmmm....

Oh yes

"I pity you".....
 
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Chill brother, lets not cause a trumper tantrum in here and get personal. You have more class than that. Its better to take a step back when you get frustrated (and oh I know how frustrating people here can be)
Are you reading Malcom's, Outliers? Cool.
 
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Chill brother, lets not cause a trumper tantrum in here and get personal. You have more class than that. Its better to take a step back when you get frustrated (and oh I know how frustrating people here can be)
Could you point out in what I said what was perceived as "tantrum" or lacking class?
 
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I will try to use your word to respond and help you understand....

What did you tell me yesterday?
Hmmm....
Oh yes
"I pity you".....
I do pity people who don't see the truth, but think that they do. Yes, very much.
 

BenFTW

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Could you point out in what I said what was perceived as "tantrum" or lacking class?
I agree, you would have to have class in the first place. LOL I've got to stop, I'm only kidding. :D Just a little fun.
 
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Ariel82

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So then, the devil is your father? Is that what you're saying?
Stop poking your gonna derail this thread...if you must poke do it in his own thread..then you can hear about how he is sinless for years. Or something, didn't visit long enough to figure it out yet.

You can listen to the stories about Jesus talking to him on his couch, etc.