The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

[Evmur]

By the magic of Calvinism.


Yes, Calvinizers love to separate words from their context.


I am not... and your saying so changes nothing. You can dispense with your pins and voodoo dolls. They won't work on me. Jesus love Oyster and Oyster love Jesus.


Apostacy is not "being snatched out." Apostacy is walking away and never returning.


Yes, apostacy is a stupid thing to do, but in case you haven't noticed, there are lots of stupid people around.


The just come by faith and the just live by faith.


I can choose because Jesus died and paid the price for sin 2000 years ago. He died so that any and every man could freely choose, not just a special preselected few. (Where does that garbage come from????)

I once thought that everyone must surely understand the simple truth of John 3:16.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

That means that THE CALL GOES OUT TO ALL. Just like the parable of the great feast.

No.
Wrong.
He made that choice available to all mankind 2000 years ago, my friend. That is the Gospel Message. That is what Calvinism seeks to undermine. It comes straight from the pit of Hell, my brother!

The call goes out to all.


That is EXACTLY what I believed. That is EXACTLY what it means to come by faith. We are given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit after we are born again, not before. We are made new creatures after we are born again, not before. John 3:16 says every man must confess and believe. Not just some special pre-selected master-class. This "must be preselected before salvation is available" is a Satanic lie.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

The Call goes out to All.

God chose you in Christ before the world was founded that you should be a person for the praise of His glorious grace, if the Lord was sat with you at table and said "you have not chosen Me but I have chosen you..." would you still go on with your diatribe?

... we will fall out if you call me a Calvinist.

 

[Evmur]

Actually, it is. When God sees us doing our best, He takes care of the rest. We are to trust and obey. That is the life of faith. Jesus' atonement is the reason that our best is good enough to keep us in tune with the Lord. It does not earn our salvation, but it is our duty as disciples and followers of Jesus.

Luke 17:10
“So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.”

"when God sees us doing our best He takes care of the rest ????" dear me. must be the epistle of Hans Christian Anderson.

"while we were yet in our sins Christ died for the ungodly"

we are "born again not by the will of man, nor by the will of the flesh but by the will of God"

but you insist it was your will.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Maybe thats your desire to do all those things. But Gods people are made new creatures. Thats not who they are anymore..

No, that's the OSAS peoples claiming we can do all these things and still be saved...

 

[JimmyTheLock]

... we will fall out if you call me a Calvinist.

Are you?.... a calvinist?

Lots of folks claim to not be a calvinist and yet they believe some of the tenets of calvinism

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, that's the OSAS peoples claiming we can do all these things and still be saved...

Nope, that’s all in your head

 

[Evmur]

Are you?.... a calvinist?

Lots of folks claim to not be a calvinist and yet they believe some of the tenets of calvinism

It is foolish to say Calvin was not a great theologian, but theologians make mistakes. It is for the church [us] to weigh what they say, we can receive that which is good and is conducive to holiness and reject that which we consider error ... limited atonement is an error and abhorrent.

Predestination and Election are teachings of the bible, the utter folly of Arminianism is that it rejects the essential truths of those doctrines and replace them with the doctrines of human freewill and salvation by works.

Luther whose theology I follow [apart from his anti semitism] taught that the human will is in bondage and by no means free until Christ sets us free.

Which is what Paul teaches.

 

[Evmur]

It is foolish to say Calvin was not a great theologian, but theologians make mistakes. It is for the church [us] to weigh what they say, we can receive that which is good and is conducive to holiness and reject that which we consider error ... limited atonement is an error and abhorrent.

Predestination and Election are teachings of the bible, the utter folly of Arminianism is that it rejects the essential truths of those doctrines and replace them with the doctrines of human freewill and salvation by works.

Luther whose theology I follow [apart from his anti semitism] taught that the human will is in bondage and by no means free until Christ sets us free.

Which is what Paul teaches.

We weigh everything against the bible ...

 

[Magenta]

Are you?.... a calvinist?

Lots of folks claim to not be a calvinist and yet they believe some of the tenets of calvinism

Pretending that believing anything a Calvinist teaches makes one a Calvinist is simply ignorant, and
would be akin to saying if you believe anything Catholicism teaches, you are a heretical Catholic.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Nope, that’s all in your head

No, I actually hear preachers teaching this and know people living that way... all false brethren.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, I actually hear preachers teaching this and know people living that way... all false brethren.

thats ok. They are just as false as you are. Teaching we can earn salvation.

John said we can;t live in sin, so I will go with John

 

[JimmyTheLock]

thats ok. They are just as false as you are. Teaching we can earn salvation.

John said we can;t live in sin, so I will go with John

I never once taught one can earn their own salvation.

And, it's funny how so many in the OSAS Cabal Association... are living in sin!

Like your boy Gnarly Charlie Stanley! All the OSAS peoples claim he's THE leading authority concerning OSAS doctrines authorized by the OSAS Cabal Association Social Clubs


In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)

In this video, Gnarly Charlie says he's proud of Andy and supports him after heresy charges

Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I never once taught one can earn their own salvation.

So you now believe in OSAS

And, it's funny how so many in the OSAS Cabal Association... are living in sin!

Once again, John says they can not live in sin. So your calling John a liar..

Just because someone believes in OSAS does not make they a child of God.

 

[Edify]

I never once taught one can earn their own salvation.

And, it's funny how so many in the OSAS Cabal Association... are living in sin!

Like your boy Gnarly Charlie Stanley! All the OSAS peoples claim he's THE leading authority concerning OSAS doctrines authorized by the OSAS Cabal Association Social Clubs


In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)

In this video, Gnarly Charlie says he's proud of Andy and supports him after heresy charges

Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

 

[mailmandan]

So you now believe in OSAS

Once again, John says they can not live in sin. So your calling John a liar..

Just because someone believes in OSAS does not make they a child of God.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin; because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

 

[mailmandan]

No, I actually hear preachers teaching this and know people living that way... all false brethren.

You can find plenty of false brethren in various false religions and cults who teach salvation by works and NOSAS.

 

[oyster67]

God chose you in Christ before the world was founded

No He did not. What He did do was to give His only begotten Son so that I might have the opportunity to believe upon His Son and thereby and then (and only then) receive salvation. THAT, my friend, is the TRUE Gospel. No one in the Church age is saved before they are born. That is the doctrine of the Devil.

Luke 13:3
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

 

[oyster67]

but you insist it was your will.

If one has not yet called upon the name of the Lord to be saved, it is high time to do so. In the time of the Flood, no one was automatically beamed aboard by Scotty.

 

[mailmandan]

No He did not. What He did do was to give His only begotten Son so that I might have the opportunity to believe upon His Son and thereby and then (and only then) receive salvation. THAT, my friend, is the TRUE Gospel. No one in the Church age is saved before they are born. That is the doctrine of the Devil.

Luke 13:3
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

Ephesians 1:4 - just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.

Some people see this as 'fatalistic determination' but I see it as God's foreknowledge. Romans 8:29 - For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

1 Peter 1:2 - elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

God knows the beginning from the end, even before the foundation of the world, but we don't. We do have a responsibility to repent. God is not going to repent for us.

 

[Evmur]

If one has not yet called upon the name of the Lord to be saved, it is high time to do so. In the time of the Flood, no one was automatically beamed aboard by Scotty.

the 8 people who were elect were saved from the flood.

... does it mean the rest of the whole world were damned as the double predestiners would have? no because we read that Jesus after He was risen went into the underworld and preached the good news to those who perished before the flood.

Predestination and election are unto the church.

 

[mailmandan]

???

Did you have something to say Edify?

Sounds like we can all go get drunk, do drugs, buy hookers, cheat on our taxes, steal stuff from work, commit adultery, etc etc, etc... because the grace of God is a license to sin!

Again, that is a straw man argument. I certainly don't have the attitude that I can just go out and get drunk all I want, do drugs, buy hookers, cheat on my taxes, steal stuff from work, commit adultery, live like the devil etc.. because I have a license to sin. That is unthinkable and detestable to me! I can't think of one Christian friend I have or Christian family member in the OSAS camp who thinks that way either.

The truth is, you may find pseudo-Christians in both camps OSAS and NOSAS. I run across people all the time in the NOSAS camp who teach that salvation is obtained and/or maintained by works and some even teach that if you don't live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time, you won't be saved. Now would it be fair for me to paint the entire NOSAS camp with a broad brush of teaching all the above? Since I don't suffer from a severe case of anti-NOSAS derangement syndrome, I would not do that.