The Gates of Hades are upon us, but it's not what you think
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The real problem isn't so much false doctrine and false teachers but ecumenism. This is the notion that every group that calls itself Christian is in fact Christian and must be given the right hand of fellowship as brothers and sisters. This is a serious problem right now. But it doesn't stop there. Now we're told we must give the right hand of fellowship to any and all who claim to believe in "God."
Two of the most influential and high-profile ecumenists are Rick Warren and Jorge Bergoglio. The NAR too are hardcore ecumenists. When you don't have a solid doctrinal foundation to stand on it's easy to fall for "anything goes."
Two of the most influential and high-profile ecumenists are Rick Warren and Jorge Bergoglio. The NAR too are hardcore ecumenists. When you don't have a solid doctrinal foundation to stand on it's easy to fall for "anything goes."
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Bergolio said: "May we live in peace, like on that Pentecost morning when no one knew what was happening." Translated, may we live in ignorance and not rock the boat. This guy is too much.
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My pastor touched on this sorta this week
He said if you have come to church to broaden your bibical knowledge, or have insite into whats to come in the future.
If youve come because its the right thing to do, or be imformed on bibical principles.
Then he has failed as a pastor.
He said that his only purpose as a pastor is to bring you into a relationship with jesus .
He said if you have come to church to broaden your bibical knowledge, or have insite into whats to come in the future.
If youve come because its the right thing to do, or be imformed on bibical principles.
Then he has failed as a pastor.
He said that his only purpose as a pastor is to bring you into a relationship with jesus .
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Sounds like a reason to stay on this chat and try and sort thru these discussions here. Probably better than paying for seminary teaching? Maybe that would be a thread, teaching by chat or seminary, but seems some on here might be in the preaching business and not agree at all. Maybe crazy idea. I don't know. Someone that has been around longer than me figure it out if it is worth anything since I only started Bible reading in earnest maybe 2 or 3 yrs and here on chat since Sept 2022 and don't attend any outside groups except went to AA for 25 yrs and did hear at times people say it was like church. Does anyone on here know what seminaries teach??
yeah absolutely brother that’s absolutely where it is it’s not outside in the world they already don’t believe false doctrines. Are an assault from within and upon those who do believe to try to default their understanding found through believing the gospel
what I mean is there’s no reason for Satan to try to deceive and change what I’m relievers know and believe he’s already got them he’s after believers he’s doing just what he started doing here it’s the enemies only course against mankind
God informed Adam of everything everything was given to him freely d he was placed in Eden with God gods word has secured adams eternal future all he has to do is believe what God told him “ don’t eat the fruit it’s poison I’ll die for sure “
this is satans only possible course of action to Adam who has heard Gods word
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:4-6 KJV
this is the very first false doctrine it needs God to say the truth about something important d then it needs the enemy to try to convince the person it’s not true but this contrary thing I’m saying is true instead
you can literally see what effect it has changing the minds perception from what God had clearly said to what Satan lied about
note before the false doctrine Eve understand perfectly not to eat the fruit but then after the false doctrine he mknd is corrupted and she thinks it’s fine to eat it it will even make them wise
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.( she’s safe because she believes it the fear of God is keeping them safe )
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
( now watch the destructive effect )
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:2-6
Satan convinced them that God had lied about the fruit it wouldn’t hurt them it was a good thing for them
this is the operation of false doctrine it is always working to corrupt our faith by changing what God said to us and promising the same results
false doctrine is definately within the church thy ye where it can have an effect on a mind that believes satans only goal is to blind our minds to the gospel because he knows this is true and doesn’t want us to hear and believe it
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
so just like Eden he’s telling people everything but that
what I mean is there’s no reason for Satan to try to deceive and change what I’m relievers know and believe he’s already got them he’s after believers he’s doing just what he started doing here it’s the enemies only course against mankind
God informed Adam of everything everything was given to him freely d he was placed in Eden with God gods word has secured adams eternal future all he has to do is believe what God told him “ don’t eat the fruit it’s poison I’ll die for sure “
this is satans only possible course of action to Adam who has heard Gods word
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:4-6 KJV
this is the very first false doctrine it needs God to say the truth about something important d then it needs the enemy to try to convince the person it’s not true but this contrary thing I’m saying is true instead
you can literally see what effect it has changing the minds perception from what God had clearly said to what Satan lied about
note before the false doctrine Eve understand perfectly not to eat the fruit but then after the false doctrine he mknd is corrupted and she thinks it’s fine to eat it it will even make them wise
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.( she’s safe because she believes it the fear of God is keeping them safe )
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
( now watch the destructive effect )
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:2-6
Satan convinced them that God had lied about the fruit it wouldn’t hurt them it was a good thing for them
this is the operation of false doctrine it is always working to corrupt our faith by changing what God said to us and promising the same results
false doctrine is definately within the church thy ye where it can have an effect on a mind that believes satans only goal is to blind our minds to the gospel because he knows this is true and doesn’t want us to hear and believe it
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
so just like Eden he’s telling people everything but that
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It depends on the seminary, but generally I think they're becoming more liberal. I agree to a certain extent with what pottersclay posted above (#28); but in another way I disagree.
The primary role of a local congregation is to make disciples for Christ and nurture them and help them mature. However, teaching sound doctrine is part of that, teaching the scriptures (not theology). New believers need the help of more mature believers to help them understand God's word correctly; otherwise, a person can get all kinds of strange ideas.
I've never been to seminary and frankly I don't know much of what goes on there. But I do know they're primarily centers of learning, not churches. The kind of teaching you get will probably depend on what denomination the seminary is associated with; you'll be fed the party line. I think you can also get secular training and degrees at seminaries. A person may learn something about being a Christian and walking with the Lord at a seminary in spite of their training, not because of it. Mostly they'll finish with their heads filled with a lot of useless theology.
The primary role of a local congregation is to make disciples for Christ and nurture them and help them mature. However, teaching sound doctrine is part of that, teaching the scriptures (not theology). New believers need the help of more mature believers to help them understand God's word correctly; otherwise, a person can get all kinds of strange ideas.
I've never been to seminary and frankly I don't know much of what goes on there. But I do know they're primarily centers of learning, not churches. The kind of teaching you get will probably depend on what denomination the seminary is associated with; you'll be fed the party line. I think you can also get secular training and degrees at seminaries. A person may learn something about being a Christian and walking with the Lord at a seminary in spite of their training, not because of it. Mostly they'll finish with their heads filled with a lot of useless theology.
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How do you have a right relationship with Jesus without knowledge of Biblical principals? Isn't the lack of understanding of Biblical principals the reason so many are being led astray by these rogue churches?
Jesus said in the future many of His will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is coming. How do you keep from turning away from Jesus without insight into what is coming?
The Bible says 'do not forsake the assembly'. Does that not make participating in the assembly the right thing to do?
Jesus said in the future many of His will turn away from Him because they were not prepared for what is coming. How do you keep from turning away from Jesus without insight into what is coming?
The Bible says 'do not forsake the assembly'. Does that not make participating in the assembly the right thing to do?
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It's like anything else. They were talked into it.
Look at the number of apostate churches making news.
God was very clear. Homosexuality is an abomination to him.
We have Apostate churches turning from that word and being talked 7nto being tolerant of abomination.
Allowing open homosexuals to join the church, enter offices of service to the Lord.
The world's word overcomes that of God.
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Look at the number of apostate churches making news.
God was very clear. Homosexuality is an abomination to him.
We have Apostate churches turning from that word and being talked 7nto being tolerant of abomination.
Allowing open homosexuals to join the church, enter offices of service to the Lord.
The world's word overcomes that of God.
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yes brother Paul prophesied a lot about it also Peter informing us in the scriptures it would happen before it did to prepare us for it ahead of time and realize it when it had happened so we won’t follow the lie if we hear the truth and believe and hold on to that
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3
False teachers appeal to the flesh desires we have and know are sin in many cases but also false teachers go
Overboard with sinless perfectionism by the law of Moses there are many ways to turn one from the gospel Jesus the lord spoke among us and said to believe and be saved and sent to everyone in the world but if we hold on to the truth we can’t be led into fables Jesus what he did for us and what he had to say to believers willing to hear him is the key to faith
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: ……. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:36-37 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32
false teachers and doctrines have a specific intent most of them don’t know the intent but false doctrines intent is tonturn peoples minds away from what Jesus said about eternal life into fables and rumors created by people interpreting other things after and trying to discount and omit what the lord declared about salvation the same he did in Eden after God declares truth Satan tries to change it to another thing and omit it
the gospel is the word of life satans trying to keep us from it because he knows this is true
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and his intent is this
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
John 10:10-11 KJV
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:16, 27-28 KJV
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25
if we remember what Isaiah foretold we see it’s now been fulfilled
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. …He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
Isaiah 53:5-6, 11
there’s so much to point to Jesus word because it’s Gods everlasting truth that saves us if we hear and believe false doctrines will always find a way to omit Jesus word as the final authority it’s how we can know truth and fable by believing the witness of the gospel Jesus preached and died to validate forever
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-23, 25 KJV
it’s truly as simple as believing in Jesus with all we have this would mean accepting his teachings about everlasting life and embracing them long with his death and resurrection it’s simple but hard for us to do because we begin carnal and the e doctrine is opposed but it’s how we know what’s true
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
2 John 1:9-11 KJV
We need to stick to the things Jesus taught and we will always stay on course we won’t always feel perfect and sinless but we will repent when we realize we did something offensive or hurtful of wrong and we will have forgiveness
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3
False teachers appeal to the flesh desires we have and know are sin in many cases but also false teachers go
Overboard with sinless perfectionism by the law of Moses there are many ways to turn one from the gospel Jesus the lord spoke among us and said to believe and be saved and sent to everyone in the world but if we hold on to the truth we can’t be led into fables Jesus what he did for us and what he had to say to believers willing to hear him is the key to faith
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: ……. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:36-37 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32
false teachers and doctrines have a specific intent most of them don’t know the intent but false doctrines intent is tonturn peoples minds away from what Jesus said about eternal life into fables and rumors created by people interpreting other things after and trying to discount and omit what the lord declared about salvation the same he did in Eden after God declares truth Satan tries to change it to another thing and omit it
the gospel is the word of life satans trying to keep us from it because he knows this is true
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and his intent is this
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
John 10:10-11 KJV
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:16, 27-28 KJV
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25
if we remember what Isaiah foretold we see it’s now been fulfilled
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. …He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
Isaiah 53:5-6, 11
there’s so much to point to Jesus word because it’s Gods everlasting truth that saves us if we hear and believe false doctrines will always find a way to omit Jesus word as the final authority it’s how we can know truth and fable by believing the witness of the gospel Jesus preached and died to validate forever
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:22-23, 25 KJV
it’s truly as simple as believing in Jesus with all we have this would mean accepting his teachings about everlasting life and embracing them long with his death and resurrection it’s simple but hard for us to do because we begin carnal and the e doctrine is opposed but it’s how we know what’s true
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
2 John 1:9-11 KJV
We need to stick to the things Jesus taught and we will always stay on course we won’t always feel perfect and sinless but we will repent when we realize we did something offensive or hurtful of wrong and we will have forgiveness
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Participation for the right reasons.
Heres the thing. Many come to the assembly for different reasons, jesus said my house is a house of prayer. He also said without me you can do nothing. Jesus being the cornerstone and foundational rock is where we should stand.
The bible tells us that all that is written points to Jesus.
Unless ones heart is to know jesus they will never mature in anything. There head knowledge is in vain.
Many will come to me saying we've done this and done that...but what did jesus reply? I never knew you.
My pastors constant prayer for all in our assembly is to know CHRIST....not scripture...not history or signs of the times but CHRIST.
Heres the thing. Many come to the assembly for different reasons, jesus said my house is a house of prayer. He also said without me you can do nothing. Jesus being the cornerstone and foundational rock is where we should stand.
The bible tells us that all that is written points to Jesus.
Unless ones heart is to know jesus they will never mature in anything. There head knowledge is in vain.
Many will come to me saying we've done this and done that...but what did jesus reply? I never knew you.
My pastors constant prayer for all in our assembly is to know CHRIST....not scripture...not history or signs of the times but CHRIST.
I heard it said recently that a better way to translate the verse is this:
"I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not withstand it." (credit to M.S. Heiser)
That throws quite a different slant on the verse. It shows the Church victorious, rather than cowering in looming defeat.
"I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not withstand it." (credit to M.S. Heiser)
That throws quite a different slant on the verse. It shows the Church victorious, rather than cowering in looming defeat.
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The word means to be superior in strength, to overcome, to prevail.
For example the only other time this word is used in the NT Luke 23:23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
It is related to Luke 21:36 to be "counted worthy to escape" or "to prevail to escape".
TLB, KJB, Darby, ASV, ESV -- Prevail
AMP, CJB -- Overcome
NASB, CSB -- Overpower
ICB -- Defeat
ISV -- Conquer
For example the only other time this word is used in the NT Luke 23:23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
It is related to Luke 21:36 to be "counted worthy to escape" or "to prevail to escape".
TLB, KJB, Darby, ASV, ESV -- Prevail
AMP, CJB -- Overcome
NASB, CSB -- Overpower
ICB -- Defeat
ISV -- Conquer