The Father Of Roman Catholicism, Emperor Constatine The Great

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Blackpowderduelist said:
With your knowledge of history you know that the Popes were just bishops of Rome, just as Athanasius was bishop of Alexandria, and while the emperor liked the church or was Christian sympathetic, they could have some political voice to what ever degree the emperor favored them. However it was not until after Pepin the Frankish King gave large land holdings to the bishop of Rome that Popes began to have real authority, because this created papal states. That it was this secular authority that gave rise to papal authoritarianism with in the church.
I know this is a very rough description and that it is a long and detailed history and more factors come into play but this is the basic outline.

Primacy of the pope is heretical. A kin to Henry establishing a church and him as head, and James using his authority as king to make himself head of the Church.
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I disagree, Constantine was banishing those that opposed Arianism after the Nicean Council, the supposed church leaders in Rome were passing judgement, and Constantine would carry out the orders, Eusebius & Athanasius is a prime example
 
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I disagree, Constantine was banishing those that opposed Arianism after the Nicean Council, the supposed church leaders in Rome were passing judgement, and Constantine would carry out the orders, Eusebius & Athanasius is a prime example
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Constantine was never a pope or a bishop. Neither was the Roman church Arian nor are they today.
 
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Athanasius, banishment by Constantine had more to do with grain supplies than anything else. When Constantius son of Constantine succeeded Constantine he was openly Arian and had Athanasius exiled again this time it was for His opposition to arianism. The Church at Rome had already adopted the nicaean council and as such were not Arian
 
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My conclusion is, catholic is political institution, have political agenda to install pope as the representative of Jesus as King of king that rule the world.

Yes Jesus is the King of king, but not represent by pope. And His kingdom is not temporary kingdom like what we think

Catholic use satanic doctrine lie say Muslim adore mankind's judge on the last day. Muslim not worship Jesus as God.
It is lie, it has political agenda to create one world government under pope. This government is the antichrist government on rev 13.

So catholic helping Lucien to create one world government
 
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Some years ago I read why Vatican make holy war to remove Islam from Jerusalem.

That is the summary of what I read.

Bible say, Jesus will return on the mount of olive in Jerusalem.
Pope represent Jesus on earth, so pope must rule from Jerusalem.

I believe it is antichrist, that will rule from the temple before second coming.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Some years ago I read why Vatican make holy war to remove Islam from Jerusalem.

That is the summary of what I read.

Bible say, Jesus will return on the mount of olive in Jerusalem.
Pope represent Jesus on earth, so pope must rule from Jerusalem.

I believe it is antichrist, that will rule from the temple before second coming.
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The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
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One day, we may have Jews pope. With DNA test, we may surprise. I am Indonesian, my son DNA test show 7 % Jews. My wife not have Jews DNA, they not test me but it possible I have 14% Jews DNA.

One day we may have pope from Italy but have more than 50% Jews dna
 
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Jackson123 said:
One day, we may have Jews pope. With DNA test, we may surprise. I am Indonesian, my son DNA test show 7 % Jews. My wife not have Jews DNA, they not test me but it possible I have 14% Jews DNA.

One day we may have pope from Italy but have more than 50% Jews dna
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Roman Catholicism Has Been A Historical Enemy Of The Jews, Not A Chance Jews In Israel Will Receive A Pope As Messiah, AKA The Antichrist

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Roman Catholicism Has Been A Historical Enemy Of The Jews, Not A Chance Jews In Israel Will Receive A Pope As Messiah, AKA The Antichrist

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
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https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757

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The Israeli government and the Vatican are deadlocked in discussions over the status of the religious sites. Vatican officials are now reiterating their demand for control over the religious sites in the ancient and holy city founded by King David as the capital of ancient Israel and now the capital of the reestablished Jewish state.
Danny Ayalon, Israel’s deputy foreign minister, declared that Israel might consider giving the Vatican “a greater role” in operating the sites. In the last weeks, the Roman Catholic Church’s authorities increased their political initiatives for Catholic control over some sites in Jerusalem.

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This passage indicate possibility Israel give Vatican control or tule old part of Jerusalem.
Old part of Jerusalem is what they want, so one day pope able to rule from there, imatting jesus that come and rule from the mount of olives
 
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https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757

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The Israeli government and the Vatican are deadlocked in discussions over the status of the religious sites. Vatican officials are now reiterating their demand for control over the religious sites in the ancient and holy city founded by King David as the capital of ancient Israel and now the capital of the reestablished Jewish state.
Danny Ayalon, Israel’s deputy foreign minister, declared that Israel might consider giving the Vatican “a greater role” in operating the sites. In the last weeks, the Roman Catholic Church’s authorities increased their political initiatives for Catholic control over some sites in Jerusalem.

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This passage indicate possibility Israel give Vatican control or tule old part of Jerusalem.
Old part of Jerusalem is what they want, so one day pope able to rule from there, imatting jesus that come and rule from the mount of olives
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The Vatican has sought control of the Christian Religious sites for "Decades" nothing new :)

Roman Catholicism Has Been A Historical Enemy Of The Jews, Not A Chance Jews In Israel Will Receive A Pope As Messiah, AKA The Antichrist

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
The Vatican has sought control of the Christian Religious sites for "Decades" nothing new :)

Roman Catholicism Has Been A Historical Enemy Of The Jews, Not A Chance Jews In Israel Will Receive A Pope As Messiah, AKA The Antichrist

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
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That news was date on the year 2011, this is 2013 news

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The other main issue is a plot of Vatican-owned land on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, currently used as a parking lot, but desired by the Holy See for a church.

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Anything can happen, after big war, Israel need protection he may need protection and it will be peace agreement between united nation and Israel where Vatican behind the screen and in the middle of 7 years peace agreement, Vatican breaks her pack and pope rule from the mount of olives
 
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