The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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That may sound good and comforting, but there is no scripture that I know of that teaches this. Yes, belief and repentance is necessary to be saved but so also is “confession” Roman’s 10:10 and baptism Mark 16:16 and 1 Peter 3:21. If a dying person does not obey God’s commands, we must leave that persons destiny to God. We are not to speak for God. He is in God’s hands and God will decide what to do . But we must be careful not to teach something that is not in the Bible. Saying that dying person can be saved without baptism is speaking in the place of God and denying what God has said in the Bible. If Jesus said it takes BOTH belief and baptism to be saved (Mark 16:16) then how can I or anyone say it is not necessary or important—even if one is dying?
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Clarification on Baptism and Salvation
The phrase "baptism in the name of Jesus" does not simply refer to the words spoken during baptism (e.g., "I baptize you in the name of Jesus"). Rather, it signifies the authority by which the baptism is performed.
Salvation occurs before baptism. Baptism is the first act of obedience for a new believer—an outward expression of the inward transformation. This aligns with the born again experience described by Jesus in John 3, and further clarified by Paul in Romans 6.
In the language of the King James era, the phrase "in the name of..." was understood to mean by the authority of... It was a formal declaration of the sender’s identity and power—often signified by a royal seal. Therefore, to baptize "in the name of Jesus" means to do so under His divine authority and commission. A phrase that doesn't need to be said when you go underwater.
- One can say, " I baptized you by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ."
- by the authority gave me an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you."
- The authority of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I baptize you. "
- "As Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, I baptize you by the Authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ."
All are valid biblical ways to baptize .
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Dear Wansvic, You go back to the Old Testament before the Saviour came into the world. Wansvic, in all your posts, I haven't seen one in which you glorify the lord God.
2. The Wise and Foolish Builders (Matthew 7:24-27)
Jesus also tells a parable about two men who build houses:
Dear Wansvic, You go back to the Old Testament before the Saviour came into the world. Wansvic, in all your posts, I haven't seen one in which you glorify the lord God.
2. The Wise and Foolish Builders (Matthew 7:24-27)
Jesus also tells a parable about two men who build houses:
“Everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock... But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Dear Wansvic, may the lord God give you every opportunity to be saved. Amen. Now go in peace, brother.LOL, Jesus said it in Matthew 28:19; 'in the name' is not speaking it as you are water baptized. It is the authority by which one does the act. God has authority, the Son has authority, and the Holy Spirit has Authority. Do they not? You deny all three are seen in Scripture, and actions are attributed to each separately and named of their own actions, are they not? Did not the Father Speak when Jesus was being water-baptized? How did that happen if Jesus is the Father
Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist.
Oh, that's right, Jesus is a ventriloquist.
The question is do people follow you, or believe what the word of God establishes? Ummm, decisions, decisions. NOT! I choose to follow Jesus!
There is not one instance recorded in the word of God of anyone being baptized in any of the ways you suggest. And absolutely dead silence concerning the use of a phrase. Every detailed account records the use of the name that is above all names; Jesus. For it was He who was crucified to save the souls of humanity. To reject this truth is not using wisdom. (John 12:48)
Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
There is not one instance recorded in the word of God of anyone being baptized in any of the ways you suggest. And absolutely dead silence concerning the use of a phrase. Every detailed account records the use of the name that is above all names; Jesus. For it was He who was crucified to save the souls of humanity. To reject this truth is not using wisdom. (John 12:48)
Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Dear Beckworth, what if a person never had a chance to be baptised? What if there is no spare water to get baptised with? Don't you think God can make a provision for that person to save them? God can save them without them being baptised with water?
The Lord Jesus Christ can do anything. And sadly, in the thread, I have read that the thieft of the cross is a bad example because we don't know if he was baptised with water. How can you say the thief is a bad example? I don't think the thief was Baptizes because I know people, and the thief would have proclaimed himself to have been Baptizes. Beckworth, did you know that when our saviour suffered and died on the cross, the Roman soldier, to make sure Jesus Christ was dead, he ran his sword into the Lord's side, piercing his heart, and Jesus' heart's blood and water gushed out. Jesus is indeed the baptism, and the Lord Jesus is all we need to be saved. Beckworth, have you considered that if indeed what you thinkest was true long ago, the devil would have abolished water baptism. But if it could be possible, I want all to be baptised in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, also in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Even though it is not necessary for salvation, because believing in and trusting Jesus Christ, and having a relationship with Him, is all that is needed to be saved. Jesus is the baptism; he is able to purge away my sins with his blood and water from his heart, which ran down his side the day he hung on the cross. Amen. Thank you, Lord Jesus, Amen.
"Crucifixion" by Hans von Tübingen shows Jesus flanked by the Penitent and Impenitent thieves on crosses, with mourners and soldiers below wikipedia
The story of the criminal (often called the "penitent thief") who died on the cross next to Jesus is found in Luke 23:39–43. As Jesus was crucified between two criminals, one mocked Him, but the other rebuked his fellow criminal and acknowledged Jesus' innocence and kingship. The penitent thief said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:42–43)137.
This passage is significant because the thief was promised paradise by Jesus despite not being baptized or performing good works. It demonstrates that salvation is available through faith in Jesus, even at the last moments of life. God bless you, brother.
The Lord Jesus Christ can do anything. And sadly, in the thread, I have read that the thieft of the cross is a bad example because we don't know if he was baptised with water. How can you say the thief is a bad example? I don't think the thief was Baptizes because I know people, and the thief would have proclaimed himself to have been Baptizes. Beckworth, did you know that when our saviour suffered and died on the cross, the Roman soldier, to make sure Jesus Christ was dead, he ran his sword into the Lord's side, piercing his heart, and Jesus' heart's blood and water gushed out. Jesus is indeed the baptism, and the Lord Jesus is all we need to be saved. Beckworth, have you considered that if indeed what you thinkest was true long ago, the devil would have abolished water baptism. But if it could be possible, I want all to be baptised in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, also in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Even though it is not necessary for salvation, because believing in and trusting Jesus Christ, and having a relationship with Him, is all that is needed to be saved. Jesus is the baptism; he is able to purge away my sins with his blood and water from his heart, which ran down his side the day he hung on the cross. Amen. Thank you, Lord Jesus, Amen.
"Crucifixion" by Hans von Tübingen shows Jesus flanked by the Penitent and Impenitent thieves on crosses, with mourners and soldiers below wikipedia
The story of the criminal (often called the "penitent thief") who died on the cross next to Jesus is found in Luke 23:39–43. As Jesus was crucified between two criminals, one mocked Him, but the other rebuked his fellow criminal and acknowledged Jesus' innocence and kingship. The penitent thief said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:42–43)137.
This passage is significant because the thief was promised paradise by Jesus despite not being baptized or performing good works. It demonstrates that salvation is available through faith in Jesus, even at the last moments of life. God bless you, brother.
This is a long read, but I will keep my response brief.
You say: "The question is, do people follow you or believe what the word of God establishes? Ummm, decisions, decisions. NOT! I choose to follow Jesus!"
No, that is your assumption that you are the only one following the Lord.
Such arrogance.
Let's not lack courage for you when you are asked whether those baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are valid if they were saved and their baptism was valid.
You say you are so concerned about the salvation of others, and the Baptism in Jesus' name is so vital you won't say what you believe here because you don't want to be banned. That is a coward of the faith. What hypocrisy.
You don't even hold to what you say because you're more worried about being banned than telling the truth as you see it.
Unlike you and others here,
I said Baptism in Jesus' Name and in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are both valid baptisms, BUT they do not save you. According to the scriptures, Jesus is the only one who saves, not water.