The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

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MrE

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Noooooooooo - this is skewed thinking.

If every time Jesus disappeared from a crowd or mysteriously showed up somewhere - that would put your 'a second time' to really actually be at least the fifth or sixth time...
Now that's skewing what I said. I wasn't talking about when he simply "disappeared from a crowd" and showed up again later. --Good to see you @GaryA btw.... I was referencing that one time he died and was placed in a tomb..... and then showed up again later. Some folks call that unusual. I don't appreciate your effort to diminish my point.

Every bit of what you mentioned in the above quoted post is part of the overall 'event' in history that we call the First Coming of Christ.
And I'm saying that's an errant way of classifying. He was born-- that's the first coming. He died. He appeared again.... that's the second coming. I know.... I know..... that hints at preterism, which you consider some kind of bad word, but fear not! I do still think that the Christ will come again as foretold. There are many views within preterism, just as there are many perspectives among pre-millennialists. It's all gonna be fine.
 

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Scripture does not indicate that He had a Second Coming before His First Coming was fully fulfilled.
Yes, agree this is an excellent point, the resurrection was part of his First Coming.
I get very annoyed when Preterist try to make things fit but it really does not.
 

MrE

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Yes, agree this is an excellent point, the resurrection was part of his First Coming.
I get very annoyed when Preterist try to make things fit but it really does not.
Got it.... his second appearance was part of his first coming.

Like I meet you for the first time at Starbucks, and then three years later you die and are buried, and then three days later after attending your funeral, I see you over at Wal-Mart picking out something springy.....
 

GaryA

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Got it.... his second appearance was part of his first coming.

Like I meet you for the first time at Starbucks, and then three years later you die and are buried, and then three days later after attending your funeral, I see you over at Wal-Mart picking out something springy.....
All of His [public] "appearances" were part of His First Coming.

And, that is because His 'coming(s)' are not defined by His 'appearance(s)'.

In the context of this discussion, 'appearance' and 'coming' are not the same thing.

May I remind you that when He resurrected He was already here...? That was/is not a 'coming'.
 
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Anyone who thinks like this truly does not understand the "seven thousand-year days" of human history.

The Millennium is the 7th 1000-year day - the "day of rest" - on the earth. (All of the 7 days are on the earth.)

Christ will literally physically bodily rule on the earth for 1000 years.

He does not "reign on earth" from the throne of the Father in heaven. :rolleyes:


“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

…But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven:

His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”

‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭
 

MrE

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May I remind you that when He resurrected He was already here...? That was/is not a 'coming'.
Let's examine that.

His disciples asked him>>>

“Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

BEFORE he died, he said.......

I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

What was he talking about? They were leaving the temple courts, looking and this is the context of the conversation--- and of that temple he said " I tell you the truth, not one stone will be left on top of another."

Then "that generation" saw the temple destroyed in 70 AD. So was Jesus telling the truth, or not? Seems he was.

What was the question again? Oh yeah---

“Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

Again--- all of that BEFORE he died. And then he arose from the dead and became alive, again. (a second time).

Then, he hung around for some forty days and then ascended, and the angelic messengers said-- he'll be back (a third time) in the same manner you saw him go-- i.e. in the clouds and NOT like he came the first time-- born in a manger.