The Difference between Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.
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That is correct. Indeed America is not in Bible prophecy per se (much as many would like to identify it with Babylon etc). America was given the opportunity to hold evil at bay with liberty and justice for all. Instead it has been betrayed by evildoers from within, and will be destroyed just like Rome (and we are witnessing this destruction day by day). In any event all earthly kingdoms will be destroyed by Christ Himself, before He sets up His eternal Kingdom on earth. That was God's plan all along.
Hi Neh,
I was taught and I believe that America as we know came from Britain and became an independent nation. This is accurately described as the `eagle`s wings coming off the Lion.` (Dan. 7: 4) Those emblems are what the world today, recognizes as those two great nations - Britain (Lion) and America (Eagle).
I was taught and I believe that America as we know came from Britain and became an independent nation. This is accurately described as the `eagle`s wings coming off the Lion.` (Dan. 7: 4) Those emblems are what the world today, recognizes as those two great nations - Britain (Lion) and America (Eagle).
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I see it as God repeating and expanding what was revealed. Giving more information to build a more detailed picture..
Dan 8 gives even more information. And it even explains itself.... as Medo-Persia, = ram, and Greece = Goat, and the next power is not named but if you follow the first to prophesies it is Rome that comes up next and out of Rome comes the little horn.
Dan 8 gives even more details to the prophesies about the future kingdoms.
Put them all together and overlap them where they fit and you get a clearer picture.
Rome was the legs of iron, The iron kingdom, and they brock up from within and divided Europe resulted. some of the European countries were weaker and some were stronger (iron and clay). Iron and clay do not mix which is Gods way of saying that Europe would remain divided until the end. Many have failed to unite it because God does not lie.
America is in prophesy but it is in Rev 13.
Most of the keys to understand Rev are found in the old testament and Daniel.
So Let the bible interpret itself. Don't make things fit in just because it seems right or has a few points that fit.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
The United States declared its independence in 1776, voted the Constitution in 1787, adopted the Bill of Rights in 1791, and was clearly recognized as a world power by 1798.
To understand it would take a lot of quotes and you need to understand the first beast in Rev 13.
Most of the keys to understand Rev are found in the old testament and Daniel.
So Let the bible interpret itself. Don't make things fit in just because it seems right or has a few points that fit.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
The United States declared its independence in 1776, voted the Constitution in 1787, adopted the Bill of Rights in 1791, and was clearly recognized as a world power by 1798.
To understand it would take a lot of quotes and you need to understand the first beast in Rev 13.
The Final Gentile Global Government is made up of those beasts of Dan. 7.
BTW I do note that many Americans tend to see the world through their eyes and not God`s word. If you are going back to when America started then we need to see where it came from - Britain, which is recognized by the Lion emblem. Daniel`s lion beast had eagle`s wings which were broken off. Clearly this shows the beginnings of America from Britain. And everyone recognizes the emblem `eagle` for America.
BTW I do note that many Americans tend to see the world through their eyes and not God`s word. If you are going back to when America started then we need to see where it came from - Britain, which is recognized by the Lion emblem. Daniel`s lion beast had eagle`s wings which were broken off. Clearly this shows the beginnings of America from Britain. And everyone recognizes the emblem `eagle` for America.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
a beast will rise up out of the sea, = A beast is a kingdom or power and Out of the sea = out of a populated place, lots of people.
“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).
“The waters ... are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15).
The beast is comprised of a combination of the nations before it. (leopard, bear, lion).
And the dragon (devil) gives it power and great authority for 42 months.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
“He was given authority to continue for forty-two months” (Revelation 13:5).
The Bible predicted that the papacy would lose its world influence and power at the end of the 42 months. This prophecy was fulfilled in 1798, when Napoleon’s General Berthier took the pope captive and the papal power received its deadly wound.
Today the papacy is back and the protestant world is holding hands with them and America is doing what ever they say.
Revelation chapter 13 is clear. Two superpowers will emerge in the end time: the United States of America and the papacy. The United States will support the papacy by leading a drive to force the people of the world to worship the beast power (papacy).
The Papacy is arguably the strongest religio-political power in the world. Virtually every leading country has an official ambassador or state representative at the Vatican.
Francis’ 2015 visit to America elicited an unprecedented response from American officials: President Obama personally greeted Pope Francis as he arrived at a U.S. airbase, a decision the White House said was a symbol of the high level of respect Americans have for the Pontiff. Francis’ visit also included the first address by any pope to a joint session of the Congress in American history. —Irish Daily Mail, September 23, 2015
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
a beast will rise up out of the sea, = A beast is a kingdom or power and Out of the sea = out of a populated place, lots of people.
“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).
“The waters ... are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15).
The beast is comprised of a combination of the nations before it. (leopard, bear, lion).
And the dragon (devil) gives it power and great authority for 42 months.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
“He was given authority to continue for forty-two months” (Revelation 13:5).
The Bible predicted that the papacy would lose its world influence and power at the end of the 42 months. This prophecy was fulfilled in 1798, when Napoleon’s General Berthier took the pope captive and the papal power received its deadly wound.
Today the papacy is back and the protestant world is holding hands with them and America is doing what ever they say.
Revelation chapter 13 is clear. Two superpowers will emerge in the end time: the United States of America and the papacy. The United States will support the papacy by leading a drive to force the people of the world to worship the beast power (papacy).
The Papacy is arguably the strongest religio-political power in the world. Virtually every leading country has an official ambassador or state representative at the Vatican.
Francis’ 2015 visit to America elicited an unprecedented response from American officials: President Obama personally greeted Pope Francis as he arrived at a U.S. airbase, a decision the White House said was a symbol of the high level of respect Americans have for the Pontiff. Francis’ visit also included the first address by any pope to a joint session of the Congress in American history. —Irish Daily Mail, September 23, 2015
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
People came from populated places and settled in America which was unpopulated (not many people had had populated that land).
A lamblike power but speaks like a dragon.
When it started it was a great nation built on protestant principles. But today it speaks like a dragon (many good morals have been lost).
People came from populated places and settled in America which was unpopulated (not many people had had populated that land).
A lamblike power but speaks like a dragon.
When it started it was a great nation built on protestant principles. But today it speaks like a dragon (many good morals have been lost).
I say Rome was iron and clay, because Daniel records that the kingdom of iron was also of clay.
Daniel 2:39-45
39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.”
The "it" of verse 40, the "this... divided kingdom" and "it" of verse 41, and the "this kingdom" of verse 42 all refer directly back to the "fourth kingdom" of verse 40. There is no other referent.
Verse 45 groups the five elements together, with the clay in the middle, not at the end. Though the wording of these verses is slightly different in the KJV, the message is the same:
There is no fifth human kingdom mentioned.
Daniel 2:39-45
39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.”
The "it" of verse 40, the "this... divided kingdom" and "it" of verse 41, and the "this kingdom" of verse 42 all refer directly back to the "fourth kingdom" of verse 40. There is no other referent.
Verse 45 groups the five elements together, with the clay in the middle, not at the end. Though the wording of these verses is slightly different in the KJV, the message is the same:
There is no fifth human kingdom mentioned.
The forth Kingdom is the final worldwide (known world) kingdom. The last to have complete control of all the nations around Israel.
After it the kingdoms are divided. Like Iron and Clay they haven't united as a single kingdom since Rome divided into Europe.
It will stay divided until Jesus comes but the little horn came up and ruled (it's power and kingdom is different).
After it the kingdoms are divided. Like Iron and Clay they haven't united as a single kingdom since Rome divided into Europe.
It will stay divided until Jesus comes but the little horn came up and ruled (it's power and kingdom is different).
Hi TMS,
Now this second beastly power has two offices - economic and religious, NOT political. America is a Political nation.
The two offices -
1. Economic - `he causes all,....to receive a mark....and that no one may buy or sell except the one who has the mark...` (Rev. 13: 16 & 17)
2. Religious - `he ...cause(d) as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.` (Rev. 13: 15)
Now this second beastly power has two offices - economic and religious, NOT political. America is a Political nation.
The two offices -
1. Economic - `he causes all,....to receive a mark....and that no one may buy or sell except the one who has the mark...` (Rev. 13: 16 & 17)
2. Religious - `he ...cause(d) as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.` (Rev. 13: 15)
Hi Neh,
Yes I`ve seen those pics. However you would have to explain -
1. How Babylon was still to arise when Daniel said, `four kings which shall arise...` (Dan. 7: 17)
2. How Babylon was trodden down by Rome. `a fourth beast....breaking and trampling the residue with its feet.` (Dan. 7: 7)
3. How Babylon still `lives` after the fourth beast is dealt with by God. `As for the rest of the beasts, ...their lives were prolonged....` (Dan. 7: 12)
Yes I`ve seen those pics. However you would have to explain -
1. How Babylon was still to arise when Daniel said, `four kings which shall arise...` (Dan. 7: 17)
2. How Babylon was trodden down by Rome. `a fourth beast....breaking and trampling the residue with its feet.` (Dan. 7: 7)
3. How Babylon still `lives` after the fourth beast is dealt with by God. `As for the rest of the beasts, ...their lives were prolonged....` (Dan. 7: 12)