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I am afraid that there is a gross misunderstanding here about the doctrine that says that man can be without sin in this life.
The doctrine does not claim that this is from birth nor that man must never have sinned to be holy.
All have sinned - no exception, but Christ came to save men from their sins, and when they turn from their futile ability to serve God in the flesh with their bible reading, church attendance, 'decision for Christ', He can then transform them so that walk as Jesus walked and be in complete obedience to their saviour.
The doctrine does not claim that this is from birth nor that man must never have sinned to be holy.
All have sinned - no exception, but Christ came to save men from their sins, and when they turn from their futile ability to serve God in the flesh with their bible reading, church attendance, 'decision for Christ', He can then transform them so that walk as Jesus walked and be in complete obedience to their saviour.
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If we are trying to "save ourselves", trying to "sustain, maintain" and somehow "protect" our own salvation, then we are no different than blind guides leading another blind guides. (Matthew 15:14) We just can't do it, even with our so called "best of intentions" and I'm also sure that we've all heard of the say "the highway to hell 
is paved with good intentions".
We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.
Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts.
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save
Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)
these should be enough scripture to focus on for now, let us meditate
is paved with good intentions".We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days
if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts.
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save
Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)
these should be enough scripture to focus on for now,
let us meditate
I totally agree with your post.. Our eternal salvation is all down to what Jesus did to provide us with the Way of salvation, in which all we need do is believe Jesus and trust in what He did for us..
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Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts.
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
John 8:3 says The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group
It was the teachers and Pharisees that Jesus was speaking to. No mention of Peter.
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Great Post I totally agree with your post..
Our eternal salvation is all down to what Jesus did to provide us with the Way of salvation, in which all we need do is believe Jesus and trust in what He did for us..
I totally agree with your post..Our eternal salvation is all down to what Jesus did to provide us with the Way of salvation, in which all we need do is believe Jesus and trust in what He did for us..
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We can all agree that the Bible applies today.
would you like to identify the similarities between everyday people and Peter? and how about the pharisees?
what do you think about the verse,
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
why worry about "falling" if you will always obey and never sin?
if you will always obey, why would Apostle Paul give warnings in the bible, as stated in 1 Cor 10:12 as if you will "fall" in some way?
would you like to identify the similarities between everyday people and Peter? and how about the pharisees?
what do you think about the verse,
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
why worry about "falling" if you will always obey and never sin?
if you will always obey, why would Apostle Paul give warnings in the bible, as stated in 1 Cor 10:12 as if you will "fall" in some way?
If we are trying to "save ourselves", trying to "sustain, maintain" and somehow "protect" our own salvation, then we are no different than blind guides leading another blind guides. (Matthew 15:14) We just can't do it, even with our so called "best of intentions" and I'm also sure that we've all heard of the say "the highway to hell is paved with good intentions".
We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.
Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts.
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save
Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)
these should be enough scripture to focus on for now, let us meditate
is paved with good intentions".We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days
if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts.
1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall
the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist
John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone
Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist
and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save
Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)
these should be enough scripture to focus on for now,
let us meditate
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Ms Chari Bear Renee, this is quite a testimony, and thank you that you noticed. I'm glad to know that I'm making a difference, as you are evidence of that difference. if you ask me what would I rather, I would rather that people repent from the errors of their mistaken thinking than to see them "ignored", the same way that God would rather that people repent than perish. Thank you for your kind words and it's quite an encouragement to hear from you.
may God continue to bless you with love and balance
In Christ,
anointed
may God continue to bless you with love and balance
In Christ,
anointed
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Hi @theanointedsinner
I believe that a man is saved as follows:
"1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. "
Not the baptism of water, but the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
So the process is: a man comes to Christ for forgiveness when he knows he is a sinner, and is given power to become a son of God. Many believers get stuck at this point but those who are willing to give their all for Christ, will be led to the place where they will truly know what crucifixion with Christ really means, and like the disciples who were followers but were not in the Spirit until Pentecost, they will need to have their own Pentecost. It is a time of stipping away all that a man has in life till there is nothing left but Christ. Full salvation comes at this point and it is doubtable to me that a man is saved previous to it..
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, unow saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but vas an appeal to God for a good conscience, wthrough the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
I believe that a man is saved as follows:
"1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. "
Not the baptism of water, but the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
So the process is: a man comes to Christ for forgiveness when he knows he is a sinner, and is given power to become a son of God. Many believers get stuck at this point but those who are willing to give their all for Christ, will be led to the place where they will truly know what crucifixion with Christ really means, and like the disciples who were followers but were not in the Spirit until Pentecost, they will need to have their own Pentecost. It is a time of stipping away all that a man has in life till there is nothing left but Christ. Full salvation comes at this point and it is doubtable to me that a man is saved previous to it..
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, unow saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but vas an appeal to God for a good conscience, wthrough the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
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Hepzibah, we believe that salvation is much simpler than that
here is a short description of it, if you are interested ...
Salvation is a one off, eternal event with present continuing results form a past completed action-->FAITH into Christ and acknowledging said faith.
Sanctification is dual in usage....
a. One is sanctified POSITIONALLY in Christ eternally at the moment of belief-->Hebrews
b. Sanctification of our daily life is based upon the transformational process described in Romans 12:1-2....it is subject to growth, maturity, successes and set backs........
^hence, no miraculous Acts-2-like Pentecostal event is necessary for salvation
here is a short description of it, if you are interested ...
Salvation is a one off, eternal event with present continuing results form a past completed action-->FAITH into Christ and acknowledging said faith.
Sanctification is dual in usage....
a. One is sanctified POSITIONALLY in Christ eternally at the moment of belief-->Hebrews
b. Sanctification of our daily life is based upon the transformational process described in Romans 12:1-2....it is subject to growth, maturity, successes and set backs........
^hence, no miraculous Acts-2-like Pentecostal event is necessary for salvation