THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

blue_ladybug · Nov 23, 2014

hmmm..disgusting, smelly, nasty, and gross..those words come to mind.. but funny? Nope, not a word I'd use to describe what you just stated here..lol

JesusIsAll · Nov 23, 2014

popeye said:

Oh my! Makes me feel a whole lot better about getting all the way to the store parking lot, before realizing I left my wallet at home. But using dynamite on a whale? When we were kids, somebody would have said, "Smooth move, Ex-lax!"

Straightshot · Nov 23, 2014

There is nothing mentioned about religion in Revelation 18 [or ex-lax for that matter] .... it all about a great civilization hub of a lost world

Economics, trade, commerce, materialism, business mogul's [merchants] .... and the false security of an abundant culture

The Lord reveals the "mystery" of babel that has grown to enormous proportion and networked all over the earth .... all of the cities of the nations are her clones .... all look just alike doing business in the same way

It is the collective structuring of city building that is the issue .... for men to intentionally separate themselves from the Lord's providence and direction and to govern themselves

.... from babel to MBG .... the same self deception that men make ..... their rebellion against the Lord

The "great city" part of a lost world is described in Revelation 18 and the reach of its influence is global at the end of this present age

The Lord will not allow this thing to go on ..... this human system of false pride and arrogance in rebellion against Him has and is responsible for distracting and deceiving with false reliance .... it is responsible for killing billions of humans

Think about it: warfare, greed, crime, corruption, love of money, material excess, covetousness, murder, sexual immorality, prostitution, drug trafficking, even false religion of many strains, etc, you name it ..... this all gets hatched in the "city" and spreads

And all of this is the peoples' feeding instead of searching for the true meaning of life and the living God .... and thereby it poisons and cuts them off from the truth

Revelation 18 is not describing the Vatican, Rome, Saudi Arabia, ancient Babylon in Iraq, or Jerusalem of today .... none of these fit the blue print of the "great city" in today's setting

If the world is close to the ending of this present age, then it is the USA that bears the name tag

One great "city", no internal trade barriers, connected with common business transactions, networked, great common financial wealth, manufacturing [millstone] potential, ports that can accommodate 1/3 of the world's shipping traffic .... still the leader of human intransigence

This is not a good thing, but factual at this time

If we are not close to the coming day of the Lord, things can change over time, and there may be a shifting of the guard

.... and the beast and his 10 kings will hate this "great city" and destroy it in one day, never to rise again .... at the instigation of the Lord Himself .... and all of the other connected cities of the earth will fall as well [this is the Lord's own moving]

If the beast in the human little horn and his 10 cohorts rise in the Middle East [I believe this to be a scriptural fact], then one can see what is coming

This one will seek to destroy the "great city" and Israel as well, but the latter will escape his reach at the hands of the Lord who will annihilate him and his human followers by drawing the same to Armageddon .... and Satan will be tossed into the abyss and prevented from meddling with the mortal nations of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom established just after the days of the tribulation

VCO · Nov 23, 2014

popeye said:

Okay, after re-researching this most of this afternoon, I have to correct myself, in that my statement that "the Wedding Supper always took place in the Bride's Old Dwelling place", did not stand up to the TEST of the RESEARCH. It was not restricted to a particular location, even though the Old Dwelling Place of the Bride is definitely a possibility. It could also take place in the groom's Father's house or any other friend's or relative's house that had enough room to accommodate the number of guests that had been invited. So I stand corrected.

However in light of these verses it seem clear to me that Christ's Wedding Supper will take place on Earth.

Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle. {SEE REV. 19.}
[SUP]4 [/SUP]On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]You will flee by My mountain valley {That is the 144,000 Descendants of Israel, will seem to be obvious guests at the Wedding Supper, and here they are fleeing Jerusalem, NOT BY RAPTURE, but into the surrounding Mountains.}, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him. {That is the Bride of Christ: O.T Saints, Church-age Saints, and Tribulation Saints.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP]On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike. {That is a STRONG indication that He is talking about a Week of YEARS, not a week of literal days. Therefore that Seventh year of the WEEK of Years that the Antichrist makes a Peace Treaty with ISRAEL, is the DAY HE is talking about.}
[SUP]9[/SUP]On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
{NOTICE JESUS becomes King over all the earth that SAME DAY He destroys the Armies of the World.}

And the Wedding Supper begins with the feeding of the birds, but WITH JESUS taking the THRONE OF DAVID that very Day, do you not think that a CORONATION BANQUET would be in order for that very Evening? AND DO YOU NOT THINK THAT IT WILL ALSO BE THE WEDDING SUPPER OF THE LAMB?

Revelation 19:17-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

VCO · Nov 23, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

It will get worse as you get older. I have made it all the way to the check-out lane, several times this year alone, with no wallet.

Praise the Lord, anyhow!

PlainWord · Nov 24, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

Walvoord always said that, to correctly understand scripture, one must pay attention to all the details. Revelation 18 cannot be Rome or Babylon rebuilt. It must involve a city that has deep water ports and very busy world commerce by sea, that port city seen by all these vessels offshore, burning. This isn't a symbolic scene, rather something that could be filmed with currect earthly accoutrements of life in the big port city. The Revelation Babylon is a global powerhouse of commerce of all conceivable goods, the nation a market for world commerce, surely with a huge trade deficit. Rome strikes out on both ports and economic powerhouse counts, as well as any conceivable rebuilding of Babylon, Iraq, ever. It's the details, in terms of scripture, one strike and you're out, just like all the false prophets people still love. Reading Revelation 18, and considerable scripture of Jeremiah and Isaiah, especially any post-tribber, I'd probably rather be holed up somewhere else than NYC or LA, maybe on the moon, with a cyanide pill.

It absolutely is NOT New York City. It is MECCA. This is the only religious city in the wilderness/desert by the Sea (the Red Sea) which is one of the busiest sea lanes in the world far surpassing anything around NYC.

PlainWord · Nov 24, 2014

popeye said:

You seem to struggle in reading and comprehension my dear friend. Read it closely...

...beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands...

What are they beheaded for????

Their witness of Jesus and for the word of God!!!

Now pay close attention.

AND which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.

The Man of Sin (Which you call the AC) is never in charge of the entire world and all it's inhabitants. ALL always means ALL but you don't have an ALL do you? You have an "as many as." What this means is those within the sphere of influence of the BEAST will be required to worship (in other words - serve) the BEAST which is the alliance of northern Islamic Nations. Right now this is looking very much like ISIS. They are beheaded Christians and Jews for their testimony of Jesus. They are forcing people to convert or die.

The scope of control of this BEAST is clearly limited to 1/4 of the earth - See Rev 6 (the Fourth Seal). The first 3 seals represent the evolution of Islam. Seal 1 is the formation of Islam under Muhammad. Seal 2 is the Ottoman Empire from 1299 to 1922. Seal 3 is the discovery of oil and the vast riches the sheiks and oil lords have made on oil in the region while the rank and file remain poor. Seal 4 is Radical Islam going on the war path against Jews, Christians and other Arabs who will do conform to their militant and stick adherance to their false doctrines. Seal 5 show all those slaughtered in heaven begging for revenge.

I realize many, many Christians are under this impression that there is going to be all this world wide upheaval during the Tribulation, but they are wrong. This same group in most part thinks the Tribulation is the wrath of God (or the Lamb). They are wrong about that too. The Tribulation is Satanic wrath which he uses his vehicle, Islam, to carry out with their terrorist thugs. The uses Islam to kill each other in vast numbers and to kill as many Jews and Christians as possible.

You don't have to believe me but this is what it all means and you are already seeing it begin to play out.

JesusIsAll · Nov 24, 2014

VCO said:

Yes, praise the Lord anyhow! Something that doesn't often fail is having discipline to put all your things in one place, prior to going out, like keys, wallet, cellphone, maybe a list: wherever your keys are, the things with them won't be forgotten. But what fails, as in all things, is when you break the discipline, the rules, in my case gathering up whatever from wherever, 30 seconds before heading out the door, and usually thinking about something else, paying little attention to the mundane task at hand. But if somebody could tell one how to go through life, without getting distracted, I'd love to hear it! You can even put a sign up, but then you don't pay any attention to the sign, after awhile, may see it, with nothing registering. Some voice message system would be cool, when opening the door, "Wallet and whatever, mush for brains!"

VCO · Nov 24, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

MAYBE A LIST ? ? ? What do you mean by MAYBE? I can guarantee you have that awakening coming soon too, a time when LISTS will become MANDATORY. I went to the store LAST NIGHT, with only two things my wife wanted, green beans, and 7-Up to settle her upset stomach; so who needs a list for only two items. While I was there at the store, I did a little shopping for things for me, and ended up walking out of the store with 4 bags. I arrived at home and my wife looked in the bags and said, "Where's my 7-Up?" I mean only two items to remember, bought 4 bags of groceries, and STILL ENDED UP BUYING ONLY 50% of what I was sent to the store for. Just what I wanted to do, is go to the Store TWICE after 10:30 at night, just because I was too lazy to write down two items. Believe me Your Day Will Come.

JesusIsAll · Nov 24, 2014

VCO said:

And you lived to tell the tale? Sounds like you should start a praise report thread.

VCO said:

That's another think I like about CC, a good place to come for encouragement.

JesusIsAll · Nov 24, 2014

Scriptural Evidence for the Pretribulation Rapture

The Unknown Hour

When we search the Scriptures and read the passages describing the Lord Jesus' return, we find verses that tell us we won't know the day and hour of that event. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27). Note that some people only see a three-and-a-half-year tribulation. In a way, they are correct because the first half of the tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a seven-year period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1,260 days (Mat 24:16). There is no way to apply the phrase "neither the day nor the hour" to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true is to separate the two distinct events transpiring here: 1) the rapture of the Church, which comes before the tribulation; and 2) the return of Jesus to the earth, which takes place roughly seven years later.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb

In Luke 12:36, the Word states that when Christ returns, He will be returning from a wedding. In Revelation 19:7-8, we read about the marriage itself. The marriage supper takes place before the marriage. According to Jewish custom, the marriage contract, which often includes a dowry, is drawn up first. The contract parallels the act of faith we use when we trust Jesus to be our Savior. The dowry is His life, which was used to purchase us. When it's time for the wedding, the groom goes to the bride's house unannounced. She comes out to meet him, and then he takes her to his father's house. This precisely correlates with the events according to the pre-trib scenario. Jesus, the Groom, comes down from heaven and calls up the Church, His Bride. After meeting in the air, He and His Bride return to His Father's house, heaven. The marriage supper itself will take place there, while down here on earth the final events of the tribulation will be playing out. After the marriage supper of Jewish tradition, the bride and groom are presented to the world as man and wife. This corresponds to the time when Jesus returns to earth accompanied by an army "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (Rev 19:14).

What They Didn't Teach You in History Class

Many groups try to discredit the pre-trib rapture by saying most of the end-time events in the Bible have already taken place. A group of people called preterists claims that the Book of Revelation was mostly fulfilled by 70 AD. If the events described in the Book of Revelation took place in the past, I'm at a loss to explain some of the current situations I see around us: the rebirth of Israel, the reunification of Europe, the number of global wars that have occurred, and the development of nuclear weapons. During history class, I must have slept through the part where the teacher talked about the time when a third of the trees were burned up, 100-pound hailstones fell from the sky, and the sea turned into blood (Rev 8:7-8, 16:21). I think several people would have to question their opposition to the pre-trib rapture doctrine if they knew that the evidence provided to them was based on the understanding that most tribulation prophecies have already occurred.

The People of the Millennium

If Christ were to come back after the tribulation, rapture all the saints, and slay all the ungodly, who would be left to populate the earth during the millennium? Only the pre-trib viewpoint can account for this post-trib problem. The Church is raptured before the tribulation, a vast number of souls are saved during this seven-year time frame, and those who make it through the tribulation go into the millennium while the unsaved are cast into hell.

The Saint U-Turn

In the pre-trib scenario, after we rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of that period, Christ will come down to earth, defeat the Antichrist, and cleanse the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air to meet the Lord, then do a 180-degree U-turn and come back down to earth. Revelation 1:7 states that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. Zechariah 14:4 says that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?

"Come Up Hither"

Many pre-trib writers cite Revelation 4:1, which says, "come up hither," as a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church, leaving Revelation chapters 1 through 3 as a description of the Church Age. After the shout to "come up hither," the Church is not mentioned in Scripture at all. The attention of Scripture switches from the Church to the Jews living in Israel.

Armies in Fine Linen

When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The army's members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.

The Time of Jacob's Trouble

In several passages, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase "Jacob's trouble" pertains to the descendants of Jacob. Jeremiah 30:7 says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel's 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, "70 weeks are determined unto thy people" (Dan 9:24). Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians. However, some post-tribbers try to claim that they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in Revelation 7:2-8 who receive God's protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven-year Jewish dispensation, as the post-tribbers do, raises one good question: Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation would have to be an exception.

"He" That is Taken Out of the Way

Before the Antichrist can be revealed, Paul said a certain "He" must be taken out of the way. According to 2 Thessalonians 2:7, the "He" that must be removed is widely thought to be the Holy Spirit. It has been promised that the Holy Spirit would never leave the Church, and without the working of the Holy Spirit remaining on earth, no one could be saved during the tribulation. The removal of the Church, which is indwelt by the Holy Ghost, would seem the best explanation for this dilemma. The working of the Holy Spirit could go on during the tribulation, but His influence would be diminished because of the missing Church.

War or Rapture

(Rev 19:19-21) When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will be coming for battle. For those who believe in a post-trib rapture, it would be strange to meet your Lord and Savior just as He's rushing into battle. The idea that war and rapture could occur together is difficult to imagine, especially since they transpire at the same moment.

The Five Foolish Virgins

The wedding story that Jesus gave in Matthew 25:2-13, I believe, is a parable of the rapture of the Church. It explains how some will not be ready. Jesus clearly states that a group of people will miss out on an event, and will cry out to God to let them into the place where He resides, heaven. Although some try to put this parable in a post-trib context, it doesn't fit very well. The ones left behind in a post-trib rapture will not need to seek the Lord because they'll immediately be confronted by Him and His army of angels.

God Hath Not Appointed Us to Wrath

In 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul assures us that God has not appointed His people to wrath. This wrath is plainly God's anger that will be poured out during the tribulation. Pre-trib believers interpret this as meaning that Christians will be removed from the earth. Post-trib believers tell a different story. They describe this as meaning that God will protect Christians during the tribulation and pour this wrath out on the unbelievers only. This idea runs against the statement made in Revelation 13:7, in which the Antichrist is given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them. A post-trib view would make God's promise of protection from wrath into a lie. In years past, it was possible to think of being protected from the guns and swords of that day. Today, when any major war would involve nuclear and chemical weapons, it's impossible to expect that same kind of protection. When Nagasaki, Japan was bombed during World War II, the bomb exploded over a Catholic church. Everyone who was in the center of the explosion died--both Christians and non-Christians. The only way to validly interpret God's promise of protection from wrath is by viewing 1 Thessalonians 5:9 as the bodily removal of the Church from this world.

The Salt of the Earth

Jesus said, "Ye are the salt of the earth" (Matthew 5:13). When the believers are supenly removed, the earth will be plunged into spiritual darkness. When this happens, the Antichrist will then be free to control the world.

God Takes an Inventory

In Revelation 7:3, an angel descends to earth and seals the servants of God. Two bits of information about this sealing highly disclaim a post-trib viewpoint. The first item is the number of people sealed: 144,000. The second one is that all those who are sealed are from the 12 tribes of Israel. For the events in Revelation 7:3-8 to be true in a post-trib interpretation, either the Church has turned against God or God has turned against the Church. A post-tribber could write a thousand-word commentary about why the Church doesn't need to be sealed. Instead of trying to argue about why the Church is not mentioned or sealed, a pre-trib proponent could just say, "We're already in heaven."

Noah and Lot as Examples

The tribulation period is compared to the times of Noah and Lot by Jesus in Luke 17:28. Most people argue over whether the time frame Jesus was talking about in that passage was pre-trib or post-trib. In doing so, they miss an important point. The two circumstances that the Noah and Lot situations have in common are the removal of the righteous and the judgment of the unbelievers. From these two accounts, we see that God prefers to remove His own when danger is involved.

Common-Sense Reasons for Believing in the Pretribulation Rapture

The World Test

One way to check the soundness of a doctrine is to see how the world reacts to it. One company put out a questionnaire that was used to screen prospective employees. One of the questions was, "Do you believe in the rapture?" If you answered "yes," your chances of getting hired would not be good. Some internet sites do not allow the topics of Rapture or Second Coming. They do allow topics such as sex, gays, and drugs. The only time the news media mentions the rapture is when someone sets a date and is proven to be wrong.

That Old-Time Religion

It used to be a rule of thumb that when one was visiting a church or listening to a preacher, one could assume the preacher believed in repentance, prayer, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost if he taught the rapture doctrine. It was also true that the churches on fire for God worshipped out of storefronts. Today, many of those storefront churches have moved into marble palaces and have strayed from their principal doctrines.

Birds of a Feather Flock Together

Whenever I look at all the groups that teach false doctrine and are highly focused on end-time events, I cannot find any that support the rapture theory. Some organizations, the Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, teach a false gospel and are heavily into Bible prophecy. Why, then, don't Jehovah's Witnesses teach a false doctrine that would be right up their alley? Could it be that the demonic forces that influence these groups know something that Christians opposed to the rapture don't know? The list of prophetically minded cults that reject the idea of a rapture goes on and on. Here are some more: the Mormons, the Worldwide Church of God and the Moonies, as well as leaders like Jim Jones and David Koresh.

The Church Would Rebuke the Antichrist

If the Antichrist came to power with the Church still here, I do not see how he could operate. When Hitler was fighting to take over England, a number of Christians were praying for victory. Hitler made mistake after mistake, and England outperformed its enemy at every stage of the conflict. It is difficult to measure the impact of intercessory prayer in physical warfare. Little is known of how great a role praying saints played in the defeat of Nazi Germany. If the Church were to reside on earth during the tribulation, I am sure she would give the Antichrist fits. In Revelation 11:3, the two witnesses alone give the Antichrist enough headaches. Millions of Christians who know their Bibles well would recognize the man of sin and pray fire down on his head. The post-trib view would have to plan on the Church just rolling over and playing dead the whole seven years.

VCO · Nov 25, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

GOOD POST, but I still believe the Marriage Supper refers to the Last Night of the WEEK LONG WEDDING CEREMONY. YES, there would have been a Marriage Feasts every night of the Seven Days of Wedding Ceremony, but the Wedding Supper can only refer to the one on the Seventh Night, according to my studies. Also, the Wedding Vows can be repeated at each of the Seven Feast Nights, and some have different family members hosting each of those Marriage Feasts. THOUGH in the Bride of Christ's Wedding, I believe all but the Last Night will be in Heaven in the Our New Dwelling Place, New Jerusalem. I Believe it is entirely possible that the Wedding Supper, which usually involved many more guests than were invited to the Seven Days of Wedding Ceremony; could be a combination of a Coronation Feast and the Wedding Supper. Ref. my post #444. While we may have to agree to disagree on the timing and place of the Wedding Supper, CAN WE AT LEAST AGREE THAT THE WEDDING CEREMONY IS IMMEDIATELY PRECEDED BY THE RAPTURE, WHAT I PREFER TO CALL THE "CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE"?

JesusIsAll · Nov 25, 2014

I've always had a conservative view of the pre-tribulation rapture, and the marriage supper to follow. Timing of these things has never been clear, indications the Bema Seat takes place after the rapture, for such as the crowns cast in Revelation 4. Timing can be the bane of eschatology, hard for anybody to be adamant over some things the most learned can't agree on. But I've never been one to couple any tradition, or extrapolate very far, except as far as explicitly supported in scripture, or it wouldn't be as much fun criticizing Catholics.

popeye · Nov 25, 2014

PlainWord said:

UH,no,no comp prob here as I do NOT cherry pick verses as you just did. That method spawns deception.

ALL are in fact killed on the face of the earth For EITHER/OR no mark,no worship ac,no worship his image. That is simply what it says. Not what you say it says.
But then that concept of "all" is affirmed by the opposite of "all do take the mark" so we are given it from 2 sides ,not your one dimensional theory.

Here it is if you also want to challenge it.
rev 13;14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.16 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth"[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]So,there is not even a hint of a theoretical "local" group of people.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Reading comprehension????? Really????[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]No,this is a 14 karat no brainer[/FONT]

JesusIsAll · Nov 25, 2014

popeye said:

Interpretation of this depends upon what part of "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" one does not understand,

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

popeye said:

Don't you think you're being a little harsh? Never forget the words of that mighty prophet, William Jefferson Clinton, "It depends on what the meaning of the word is is." Also, proper exegesis, very reading comprehension to some, is likewise a post-trib matter.

popeye · Nov 25, 2014

VCO said:

Yes indeed.
I would add that the term "know" Jesus used in the 5 foolish dialog was the same "know" /"never knew" a man in reference to her virginity.
"I know you not" would refer to the absence of intimacy of the foolish.
But the groom/bride dimension is a slam dunk and takes the postrib rapture THEORY completely out of the realm of being a viable doctrine.
The wedding picture is a ringer for the 1st advent and establishes a "return" FOR HIS BRIDE that omits the brides house for 7 years.( note the "delaying" of the gathering and the FACT he only goes UP TO the brides house,then rapidly departs)
There is zero,nada,no,trib,wrath,gt,nothing at all mentioned ....absolutely zero!!!!
Time for a big,big deposit in the round file postribbers......that thing has to go!! LOL

popeye · Nov 25, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

Harsh? I will smiley my future posts

Here is why it IS global:

"deceiveth them that dwell on the earth
"saying to them that dwell on the earth
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And the kings of the earth,

So,today,kiddos we learnt All translates all and Earth translates earth...........IOW every humanoid on da plan nut

Uh,no brainer plat num edishun LOL

VCO · Nov 25, 2014

popeye said:

AND the mid-trib theory goes in the round file too, because once this Antichrist who is a Dictator, or King, or President, or Prime Minister, who takes over the revived Roman Empire (European Union), arranges a Peace Treaty for Seven Years with Israel and her Enemies, and SIGNS it, that Signing Ceremony will be LIVE ON CNN. From that day on, we can COUNT the Days, and ONLY a Pre-Tribulation understanding leaves these verses TOTALLY in Tact and ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Matthew 24:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

And that message is so important that HE repeated it near the beginning of the very next Chapter, telling them to "Be On The Alert" and start watching for the Bridegroom to come for them from that day on.

Matthew 25:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

JesusIsAll · Nov 25, 2014

popeye said:

Actually, that wasn't quite the point. You must read such things from me within context, that is, within the framework of insanity. Besides, the road to hell is paved with smiley faces.

Don't forget your spinach, say hi to Olive Oyl, and please just carry on as is!

popeye · Nov 25, 2014

JesusIsAll said:

Actually, that wasn't quite the point. You must read such things from me within context, that is, within the framework of insanity. Besides, the road to hell is paved with smiley faces.

Don't forget your spinach, say hi to Olive Oyl, and please just carry on as is!

lol good one

THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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