The Books of Enoch.
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Eyewitnesses of other Eyeswitneses The information in Luke was most likely received from Peter Paul and others who did see Jesus after He rose from the dead. Read 1Cortinthains 15.
In comparison to Enoch's book, we know he did not write it. Also we know those who presented it could not establish it as the word of God. Not the case with Luke.
In comparison to Enoch's book, we know he did not write it. Also we know those who presented it could not establish it as the word of God. Not the case with Luke.
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let me try to explain the meaning of closer. The Garden fall to Noah was not that long of the period the time of Abraham to the time of Joseph also was not that long of a period, however,
The experience and revelation of God's Divine Nature is seen more yet man still grew distant because of Sin.
Adam knew God but differently than Noah. Noah knew God yet differently than Abraham. The meaning of closer was mans experience after the fall was still very new.
after the fall we many different things that did not happen.
Adam and Eve fall
Yet Eve experience giving birth fir the first time
Cain and Able the first Murder
Noah the first time it rained on the earth and flooded.
as we progress through the Bible man becomes more separated by sin as sin rules man. That is the only point I am making.
The experience and revelation of God's Divine Nature is seen more yet man still grew distant because of Sin.
Adam knew God but differently than Noah. Noah knew God yet differently than Abraham. The meaning of closer was mans experience after the fall was still very new.
after the fall we many different things that did not happen.
Adam and Eve fall
Yet Eve experience giving birth fir the first time
Cain and Able the first Murder
Noah the first time it rained on the earth and flooded.
as we progress through the Bible man becomes more separated by sin as sin rules man. That is the only point I am making.
I didn't mention Enoch,, I was just following along with the thread and didn't want the guest who might not be members to think we didn't know what is in the first few verses of Luke https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 1&version=KJV I realize these threads get really wild at times and people say things without thinking.
He outlines the Warning of Enoch to coincide with Matthew 24, Luke/Mark's version of the Second coming and Armageddon. I doubt Enoch was the [the warning against]. But if we apply Jude's usage of Enoch here, we understand the [Doctrine of a Coming of God in Glory with His Elect like that of a Second coming] was prophesied and believed since the days of Genesis.
I understand, my first key word was [Material = Scroll].
My point about [Materials], you were kind to call it Scrolls
but they were in EXISTENCE and the followers of God, including God, the Apostles, James, Jude quote from those [Traditions] like for them it's GOSPEL. Because to them, [it was GOSPEL as in TRUTH]. The Apostles and especially Yeshua [Jesus], James, Jude would not quote anything but the Truth. So clearly, what was quoted by the New Testament Scene concerning of Enoch is [Truth]!-
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No, Jude brings forth the [Prophecy] of Enoch. He does use 95% of [same wording as Enoch]
JUDE:Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch:
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
JUDE:Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch:
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women
Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.
Look There, Elimelech's Sons Took Human Wives Toooo
Ruth 1:3-4KJV
3 And Elimelech Naomi's husband died; and she was left, and her two sons.
4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.
Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.
Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.
Look There, Elimelech's Sons Took Human Wives Toooo
Ruth 1:3-4KJV
3 And Elimelech Naomi's husband died; and she was left, and her two sons.
4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.
Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.
Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Refusing to deal with this passage only makes your position look foolish.
Refusing to deal with this passage only makes your position look foolish.