The Behavior of The Saved and Condemned
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That's a great question. Thanks.
Nice to see someone actually thinking instead of shooting at me mindlessly.
Let's take a look at that. We should also look at Matt.5:17 at some point as well. (or the Prophets) ???
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
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Like I said, nothing about the law.
And certainly not a statement they we are saved by Jesus' obedience to the law.
But what was Christ obedient to? Good question.
In short. Jesus was obedient to the Father.
The Father had specific plans for him to fulfill, just as he has specific plans for us to fulfill.
John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
John 5:36
“I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me.
John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Nice to see someone actually thinking instead of shooting at me mindlessly.
Let's take a look at that. We should also look at Matt.5:17 at some point as well. (or the Prophets) ???
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Like I said, nothing about the law.
And certainly not a statement they we are saved by Jesus' obedience to the law.
But what was Christ obedient to? Good question.
In short. Jesus was obedient to the Father.
The Father had specific plans for him to fulfill, just as he has specific plans for us to fulfill.
John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
John 5:36
“I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me.
John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
I've always thought about that.
If we are saved by Jesus' obedience to the law, meaning he fulfilled the mosaic law., then that is imputed to us through faith, wouldnt that make it justification by works? We are justified for keeping the mosaic covenant perfectly, alltho Jesus kept it for us, but still.
I wonder if there are other explanations available. I certainly havent heard any.
If we are saved by Jesus' obedience to the law, meaning he fulfilled the mosaic law., then that is imputed to us through faith, wouldnt that make it justification by works? We are justified for keeping the mosaic covenant perfectly, alltho Jesus kept it for us, but still.
I wonder if there are other explanations available. I certainly havent heard any.
Apparently you can't even comprehend things for yourself.
Why should I believe anything you say?
You have tried to prove that Jesus saved us by obedience to the law.
Do you really believe that? Why?
You are incapable of substantiating the claim.
It is very kind of you to help poor preacher4truth while he flounders.
But maybe it ts time for him to stand up on his own and prove his own claims.
He created this mess. Why is it your job to fix it now?
Why should I believe anything you say?
You have tried to prove that Jesus saved us by obedience to the law.
Do you really believe that? Why?
You are incapable of substantiating the claim.
It is very kind of you to help poor preacher4truth while he flounders.
But maybe it ts time for him to stand up on his own and prove his own claims.
He created this mess. Why is it your job to fix it now?
That's a great question, thanks.
If Jesus was the only one who could keep the law perfectly.
Why would he save us to do something only he could do?
That would be setting us up for failure.
The fact is, no one could keep the law perfectly.
The law was in conflict with itself. Jesus pointed this out on many occasions.
Here is one of many examples.
The law said the work of circumcision was to take place on the eighth day after birth.
But work is prohibited on the Sabbath. What to do, what to do... ???
John 7:23
Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?
If Jesus was the only one who could keep the law perfectly.
Why would he save us to do something only he could do?
That would be setting us up for failure.
The fact is, no one could keep the law perfectly.
The law was in conflict with itself. Jesus pointed this out on many occasions.
Here is one of many examples.
The law said the work of circumcision was to take place on the eighth day after birth.
But work is prohibited on the Sabbath. What to do, what to do... ???
John 7:23
Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?
Jesus kept the laws of God, but he did not keep the traditions of men. The Pharisees didn't understand the Laws of God. They had added more laws to make sure that people kept the law as they thought it should be kept. They actually tried to build a fence around the Law with their own laws. They were only concerned with the outward appearance of keeping the law. They did not even understand the Spirit in which the laws of God were given.
Jesus condemned them for adding to the Law of God and for being hypocrites.
Jesus condemned them for adding to the Law of God and for being hypocrites.
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