I agree . The issues are seen when you completely lay aside both systems ( 5 points of calvinsm and the 5 points of Arminism ) Arimianism s weakness is that its calvinstic presuppositions influence the least problematic elements . They both agree on the T so straight away there s going to be a problem. Jacob / James never quite figured it out .He was taught under Beza ( hard-core calvinist) before his issues surfaced with calvinsm ,but is never quoted as disparaging towards calvinism ultimately nor does He leave the calvinist ' hive ' . I believe both systems are a 'in house ' squabble .
The BASIC Difference between Arminians and Calvinists
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If you don't believe the T then you end up having men giving God help in Salvation. You end up causing some scripture to contradict other scripture in order to get rid of T.
In order to not have this happen you have to start out with T. And, as you have seen, once you have the T the rest falls into place....
In order to not have this happen you have to start out with T. And, as you have seen, once you have the T the rest falls into place....
With respect you just made my point . This is why Arminism is a branch of Calvinistic thinking, and it is wrong for all the same reasons that Calvinism is wrong. I used to think I was maybe a 3 point calvinist but by the time I was done looking into it , I realised we don't want to be an ' any point calvinist. All 5 are unbiblical . If a system is led by its strongest point, but that point is wrong ( T ) then naturally everything that cascades from that will be off also .
Yes.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
They are biblical. Very easily shown.
The reason you can't handle these biblical truths is because you don't want to believe the bible is against your own philosophy.
But it is.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Inability. Shown in one verse.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
I'm sure you have seen these scriptures before....
The reason you can't handle these biblical truths is because you don't want to believe the bible is against your own philosophy.
But it is.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Inability. Shown in one verse.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
I'm sure you have seen these scriptures before....
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