The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[brightfame52]

As living stones !

1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

All for whom Christ died, He as a Living Stone Vs 4

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

He makes all for whom He died, and whom He is the Head of, He makes them Living stones, for He gives them [His Body] Life 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[The Living Stone of 1 Pet 2:4] was made a quickening spirit.

That word quickening means to give life, so He becomes a Life giving Spirit. Now by this they become experimentally meet for building material to build His Church Matt 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Zech 6:12-13

And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Building a Spiritual House 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Christ building His Church/Temple also as seen fulfills prophecy Zech 6:12-13, now to do this He must make them alive, make them Living stones, this He does by quickening them to Life 1 Cor 15:45.

Now notice, the Believer is coming to Christ 1 Pet 2:4 as in being drawn to Him the Living stone, so their coming to Him are as Living stones 1 Pet 2:4-5

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Their coming to Christ as Lively stones is to be built up into a Spiritual House ! The important point here is that they had to be first made Living stones to come to the Living Stone, for He does not use dead material!

The word for coming in Vs 4 is the greek word proserchomai and means:

I.
to come to, approach

II.
draw near to

III.
to assent to

It also means :

to attach oneself to Christ, to come to a participation in the benefits procured by him.

To assent means:

to agree or concur; subscribe to , acquiescence; compliance.

Thats actually what confessing is, to agree or to say the same thing, I.to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent

All this has been accomplished and effected by the Death of Christ! 25

 

[brightfame52]

That we should live unto Christ that died for Us !

2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

One of the unfailing Purposes of God in the Death of Christ, it is that all for whom He died [The Elect] shall henceforth not live unto themselves, but to Live unto Him which died for them, and rose again ! So the result of Christ's Death in the Purpose of God is to reverse the plight of God's People of what happened in adam here Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The Elect of God, His sheep went astray in adam and turned to living unto ourselves, are own way, but Christ's death puts an end to that by bringing us back to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Or that He might return us back to the Bishop of our souls 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray[went our own way, live unto ourselves]; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The word returned is the greek word epestraphēte :

(a) trans: I turn (back) to (towards), (b) intrans: I turn (back) (to [towards]); I come to myself.

To cause to return, to bring back. Its actually what we saw in the prodigal son when we read Lk 15:17-18

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

he is being returned passive and he is now active in it, conversion. The word epestraphēte also is in the aorist indicative passive, which means he is being returned, which can also be the middle voice because he is being made to cooperate actively, for man is active in his repentance once it is given by God !

Christ's death effects a conversion, return back to God, even God in Christ ! 26

 

[brightfame52]

That we should live unto Christ that died for Us! 2

2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Now exactly who are the "they which live " here? Why its the all that He died for and rose again!

When Christ rose again from dying for those He died for, not only did He Live, but they Lived with Him, being in Union with Him as their Head!

Now this blessed Truth was indicated from the OT in this here word Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Those Christ died for is His Body the Church, so when He Lived, His Dead Body Lived together with Him.

Paul says it here as well Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us[His Dead Body] up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Peter states the same purpose to live as a result of Christ's death for us here 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Just as in 2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Peter also uses the conjunction hina which means for this purpose, God's intended result, So God's Purpose for the Death of Christ and what the results will be are here revealed!

Understand this, if you and i Preach that anyone for whom Christ died, does not end up as a result of it, Living unto God and Christ that died for him, Living a Life of Faith in Christ, then we are basically saying that Christ's Death failed God's intended Purpose ! Is that how you think today? If so, woe unto you, you are against Christ!

 

[VARob]

Understand this, if you and i Preach that anyone for whom Christ died, does not end up as a result of it, Living unto God and Christ that died for him, Living a Life of Faith in Christ, then we are basically saying that Christ's Death failed God's intended Purpose ! Is that how you think today? If so, woe unto you, you are against Christ!

Lucky for you that whether a person holds to Calvinism or not is not a salvation issue.

 

[brightfame52]

Lucky for you that whether a person holds to Calvinism or not is not a salvation issue.

You read what I said.

 

[brightfame52]

That we might be Married to Another!

As stated previously, the Death of Christ accomplished for all whom He died, no exceptions, that they are dead to the Law, but that for a purpose, that they should be Married to Another, That being the Lord Jesus Christ Rom 7:1-4

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead[Jesus Christ], that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

In other words, if those Jesus Christ died for do not become Married experimentally to Christ, Him that was raised from the dead for their Justification [Rom 4:25] then the Purpose of God for His Death for them has badly misfired, failed to produce God's intended results !

But what is it that entails being Married to Christ? It is to be betrothed to Him her Husband unto Faithfulness! This is indicated here Hos 2:20

20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.

That word betroth means to espouse :

to marry. to give (a woman) in marriage !

But She is also caused to be Faithful in the Marriage, She is a Faithful Wife to Her Husband. The word faithfulness in Hos 2:20 'emuwnah means:

firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

In fact the word is translated Faith here Hab 2:4

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith

Yes, this means that Christ died for those , and severed their relationship to the Law [Rom 7:4], for the purpose of them living to Him by Faith or in Faithfulness!

The Just SHALL live by Faith or Faithfulness. That word Just as it is written in the NT as Per Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

This which is restating Hab 2:4 the greek word for Just is dikaios which is translated righteous here Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous or Just.

The Obedience of Christ, meaning His death, made the many He died for Righteous or Just, same greek word, and the promise to the Just is that they shall live by Faith or Faithfulness and so fulfill the prophecy of Hos 2:20

I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.

That is, they shall know as Jesus says here Jn 17:3

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Folks, its impossible for one whom Christ died, its impossible for them not to come to Live by Faith, if that were so, the Purpose of God in Christ's death for them has failed! If you or i teach that one for whom Christ died dies in unbelief and their sins Jn 8:24, we teach that Christ's death was a failure and shall answer for that in the day of Judgment!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22; He was fulfilling prophesy.

The fact still stands, that a child can separate himself from God's fellowship (temporary) by sinning, until he repents. but it does not separate him from his eternal inheritance.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No one is "caused ro live by faith". And there are NO verses that say so.


In spite of the very clear words of Heb 2:9, this poster continues to believe the fallacy that Jesus Christ didn't die for everyone, but only some. Yet, not only is this verse too clear to screw up, there are others as well.

2 Cor 5:14,15
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

1 Tim 4:10 - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

He died for "all people" and the bolded phrase specifically refers to those He saves: those who believe.

1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

How does anyone screw up this verse? Calvinists. However the verse is clear; it is ONLY believers who are saved. And God is pleased to save those who believe.

The house of Israel are saved believers that have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge, and are still depending on the old law of works to save them, which seems to fit your thinking.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. 1 john 2:2

By your belief in this scripture, how does it harmonize with Dan 4:35?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Such silliness is refuted by Eph 2:8, which says we are saved by grace (unearned) THROUGH FAITH. If these 5 pointers were correct, Paul would have had to write: we are saved by grace through election.

The "FAITH" in Eph 2:8, is not your faith, but is Jesus faithfulness in going to the cross (Gal 1:16). The next sentence says "and that not of yourselves" Your faith is as filthy rags, without the imputed righteousness of Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, in which faith is a fruit of

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The Bible is clear that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. 1 john 2:2


I've never heard any of this from Calvinists or anyone else. It seems that the poster thinks that there are unbelievers who will go to heaven in spite of not believing.

But we shouldn't be surprised at that silly notion. Calvinists think that salvation is from election, rather than belief anyway. To them, believing is just a result of being chosen to be saved and being regenerated so they can believe.

Such silliness is refuted by Eph 2:8, which says we are saved by grace (unearned) THROUGH FAITH. If these 5 pointers were correct, Paul would have had to write: we are saved by grace through election.

But NO verse says that election is to salvation. That is a huge myth, which even Arminians tend to believe.

Eph 1:5 - God choose a people to be adopted by Jesus Christ, as his children. That is election to salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

He died for all, in order that ?

2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

The word That underlined above is the greek conjunction Hina and means:

that, in order that, so that,

hína (a subordinating conjunction) – for the purpose that (in order that), looking to the aim (intended result) of the verbal idea. 2443 /hína ("for the purpose that") is "the semantically marked (dramatic) way of expressing purpose in Greek (as compared for example to the plain infinitive)" (G. Archer).

And 2 Cor 5:15 is informing us of the Purpose, Intention, Aim and result God had in the Death of Christ regarding all for whom He died, His Elect.

One of the unfailing purposes of God in the Death of Christ, what He aimed at and must be the result of it, it is that all for whom He died, shall Live henceforth not unto themselves in the flesh [unregenerate], but instead to Live unto Him that died for them, and rose again !

So the consequences and effects of His death reverses what happened in adam in Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Hence, that constitutes living unto ourselves, like what the prodigal son decided to do Lk 15:12-13

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

he began living unto himself, However the death of Christ puts an end to that and will cause a change, and to begin to Live unto Him that died for us !

Now back in the text Paul refers to " they which Live " 2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Exactly who are they ? They which Live are those who rose again from the dead with Christ, for He as their Head and Saviour Lives, so they must Live also, so they shall and must Live unto Him who is Both God and Man, they are that Seed which shall serve Him Ps 22:30

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

Its that Seed He shall see Live Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Now if anyone Christ died for, does not live unto Him that died for them and rose again, and stop living unto themselves, then Christ's Death failed to produce the result's that God intended. If anyone holds to a view that believes that one soul shall perish for whom Christ died, that is what you believe whether you agree with it or not, you believe that Christ's Death failed its God given Purpose, and that is Blasphemy and Antichrist thinking! 26

 

[BroTan]

Rom 5:11

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

Let's take a look at the Day of Atonement Leviticus 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

This is the Day of Atonement. It must be observed on the 10th day of the seventh month, you must have a holy gathering and also you must afflict your souls, which means you must fast on this day (sundown to sundown). This day represents the atonement that Jesus made for us. In Moses' day the Priest would take 2 goats. One would be killed and the other would be let go. The Goat that was let go was called the scapegoat. On the scapegoat, all the sins of the people were place. It was then taken into the wilderness and released. This represents Jesus dying for us and taking all our sins upon Him self. This is for the ones that put themselves under the blood of Jesus. He suffered for us, so we should suffer a little showing our appreciation for what He did for us.

Let's take a look at the 2 goats.

Leviticus 16: 5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house. 7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. 10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Both of these goats represent Jesus. The Goat was offered for a sin offering. What was Jesus? He was our sin offering to the Father. The scapegoat presented alive, represented the Lord when He came out of the grave and was presented alive to the Father. Let us continue in the 23rd chapter of Leviticus.

In Leviticus 23:28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God. On this day, there is absolutely no work to be done. This day the Lord made atonement for us.

Let us now go into Romans the 5th chapter and see what the Lord's death and resurrection did for us. Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. If everyone was without sin or perfect, the Lord would not have had to die for us.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Notice what is being said. We were reconciled or recovered by His death, and we shall be saved by His life. Remember the scapegoat? Jesus had to take our sins away. Just like the scapegoat released in the wilderness. If Jesus did not resurrect we would still be in our sins.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

If you put yourself under the Lord's blood, He has made an atonement for your sins that have passed. You have been reconciled. It is up to you to continue in this reconciliation unto eternal life. (MEANING KEEPING HIS LAWS AND STATUES). This day represents the Lord making atonement for our sins.

 

[brightfame52]

Let's take a look at the Day of Atonement Leviticus 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

This is the Day of Atonement. It must be observed on the 10th day of the seventh month, you must have a holy gathering and also you must afflict your souls, which means you must fast on this day (sundown to sundown). This day represents the atonement that Jesus made for us. In Moses' day the Priest would take 2 goats. One would be killed and the other would be let go. The Goat that was let go was called the scapegoat. On the scapegoat, all the sins of the people were place. It was then taken into the wilderness and released. This represents Jesus dying for us and taking all our sins upon Him self. This is for the ones that put themselves under the blood of Jesus. He suffered for us, so we should suffer a little showing our appreciation for what He did for us.

Let's take a look at the 2 goats.

Leviticus 16: 5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house. 7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. 10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Both of these goats represent Jesus. The Goat was offered for a sin offering. What was Jesus? He was our sin offering to the Father. The scapegoat presented alive, represented the Lord when He came out of the grave and was presented alive to the Father. Let us continue in the 23rd chapter of Leviticus.

In Leviticus 23:28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God. On this day, there is absolutely no work to be done. This day the Lord made atonement for us.

Let us now go into Romans the 5th chapter and see what the Lord's death and resurrection did for us. Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. If everyone was without sin or perfect, the Lord would not have had to die for us.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Notice what is being said. We were reconciled or recovered by His death, and we shall be saved by His life. Remember the scapegoat? Jesus had to take our sins away. Just like the scapegoat released in the wilderness. If Jesus did not resurrect we would still be in our sins.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

If you put yourself under the Lord's blood, He has made an atonement for your sins that have passed. You have been reconciled. It is up to you to continue in this reconciliation unto eternal life. (MEANING KEEPING HIS LAWS AND STATUES). This day represents the Lord making atonement for our sins.

So did you understand where I was coming from ?

 

[BroTan]

So did you understand where I was coming from ?

For the most part yes and I agree.

 

[brightfame52]

For the most part yes and I agree.

Really? What do you understand me saying?

 

[BroTan]

Really? What do you understand me saying?

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind, all of mankind would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. See, Adam brought both death. This is why the atonement was practice in Leviticus 16 and so important. They had to live in hopes of what we living in now, because Christ already came and died in our day. But in their time, they sins was always on them including the second death. That's why Paul says in Hebrew 10: For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Because animal can't take away sins. The Lord had Moses to use two scapegoats because they were practicing on what Jesus had to actually go through to remove the sins off of mankind for righteous.

Now, Paul says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Let's take a look in Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? This is hard for most people to understand this, because people are not taught about the second death, and when they see the word death in the Bible, they looking at it as the first death most of the time. But let's get a verse out the Bible thats clean cut in Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death. Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8) Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts1:36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

So I thank God the more and more, because three times Jesus prayed to the Father in Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. So that vision in Matthew 17, is because of what Jesus was going and now did.

 

[brightfame52]

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind, all of mankind would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. See, Adam brought both death. This is why the atonement was practice in Leviticus 16 and so important. They had to live in hopes of what we living in now, because Christ already came and died in our day. But in their time, they sins was always on them including the second death. That's why Paul says in Hebrew 10: For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Because animal can't take away sins. The Lord had Moses to use two scapegoats because they were practicing on what Jesus had to actually go through to remove the sins off of mankind for righteous.

Now, Paul says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Let's take a look in Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? This is hard for most people to understand this, because people are not taught about the second death, and when they see the word death in the Bible, they looking at it as the first death most of the time. But let's get a verse out the Bible thats clean cut in Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death. Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8) Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts1:36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

So I thank God the more and more, because three times Jesus prayed to the Father in Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. So that vision in Matthew 17, is because of what Jesus was going and now did.

Sorry but you lost me friend.

 

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It delivers and draws to Himself !

One of The scriptures most corrupted by false teachers is that which makes Christ death a Saving Success for all whom He died, it is written Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Now heretics tell us that this Truth here is not Salvation and Conversion, but only a making of all people to have a chance at getting saved, if they use their freewill ! The Truth of the matter is this, Jesus is stating what will be the end results of all for whom He died, they shall be converted to Him ! The actual drawing here is evidence of their being delivered from the power of sin. The word draw helkó:

properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.

metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel:

The inward power is the Spirit of God !

Now we have a scripture that states what the Christ death should accomplish Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

The word here delivered is crucial, its the greek word rhuomai and actually means:

to draw to oneself, i.e. deliver ,rhýomai (from eryō, "draw to oneself") – properly, draw (pull) to oneself; to rescue ("snatch up"); to draw or rescue a person to and for the deliverer.

So what this means, the ones as a result of Christ being lifted up, who are drawn to Him, they are and have been delivered and rescued by Him, they are saved by Him, evidenced by them being drawed to Him. Does it not say " will draw " denotes certainty, its a promise !

Its a future indicative active. The indicative means :

The indicative mood is a statement of fact or an actual occurrence from the writer's or speaker's perspective. Even if the writer is lying, he may state the action as if it is a fact, and thus the verb would be in the indicative mood. It may be action occurring in past, present, or future time.​

Also its in the future tense which means:

Just like the English future tense, the Greek future tells about an anticipated action or a certain happening that will occur at some time in the future.​

Its certain says Christ, all for whom I am lifted up in behalf of shall be rescued, delivered and drawn to my self. The word draw also means to persuade, which is bring to belief !

God the Father deserves the Credit for giving Christ to deliver His People Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

That word delivered is the same word used in Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

The end result of Christ's redeeming death is serve God without fear ! 26

 

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Dan 9:24 !

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Though this scripture is little known and understood by false religion, yet we have here things that Christ's Death alone accomplished for those He died for. These things were not merely made possible or contingent, but actual and factual accomplishments for all whom He died, God's chosen people.

By His death, alone, He finished Transgression ! What Transgression ? The Transgressions of His People laid upon Him Isa 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

As typified by the Type He carries them away Lev 16:21

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

Ps 103:12

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

This probably also alluded to Christ's saying here Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

By satisfying God's Law and Justice for His People, He finished Transgression by restraining, putting the breaks on the condemning power of sin unto them whose sins Christ bare !