The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[Absolutely]

Nonsequitar.

Your previous post Completely mirrored yourself.
A true pot calling the kettle black.

...but since you do not know the meaning of that or non sequitur I will give you some help


non se·qui·tur
/ˌnän ˈsekwədər/
noun
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"

Ironically you pride yourself on such rightness and knowledge

 

[Absolutely]

I was simply quoting your post in agreeing with it.
BTW, the conquest of Canaan was a violent military takeover. And astute Bible students know that the conquest of Canaan was a microcosm of the second coming of Jesus Christ when he takes over the entire world!

Her idea that God has never conquered or destroyed is plain blatant ignorance of the word.
She lost all credibility and is throwing spitballs at this point

 

[Nehemiah6]

THe book even says Bablyon is Jerusalem, the city where JEsus was crucified.

Not Babylon. Sodom and Egypt.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev 11:8).

 

[Absolutely]

Your scope of understanding is severely limited. The Scripture makes it perfectly clear time and time again that in the TRUE Great Tribulation, the armies of ALL nations will surround Jerusalem, not just the Roman army. Then the Lord arrives as Savior AND DEFEATS THESE ARMIES! This alone falsifies any claim that 70 A.D. is the GT.

Zec 14:2, 3
For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, ******as he has fought in times past.*****

The 70 A.D. preterist nonsense is patently absurd but worse than that it's completely unbiblical. I have had to debate Bruce Gore on the matter of preterism. Amazingly a man of that intelligence and scholarship was in grievous error...........because he simply refuse to accept the Scriptures as they are written.

When they invoke Darby and scofield is see a huge sign in their hands "I am out of gas...let's go extra biblical "

 

[Ahwatukee]

Thats what you believe but that doesn’t matter. It’s your personal opinion.
Don’t ask what is bad if you’re going to discredit every answer cause it has the word “bad” in it. Jesus thinks it was the worst (a kind of bad) in all human history. Do you care if Jesus thinks it was bad too? You’re joking right?? Jerusalem was totally ploughed under and why don’t you see that today? They rebuilt it. There are valleys there and “large” doesn’t matter cause your thinking what large is doesn’t matter.
He returned to Ephesus as promised and did as he threatened. I’ve been there. Very strong evidence he came to them as promised...that’s in the past, by the way.

Dorothy, it is apparent that you have no Biblical understanding regarding end-time events. The event where Jesus touches down on the Mount of Olives is a future event related to His return to the earth to end the age and not something that has already happened.

 

[Absolutely]

That was the GT. But it’s clear you won’t be convinced. Let’s move on.

You need the worldwide mark
The flying scorpions
144k sealed
The 2 witnesses
Hailstones of fire
Worldwide worship of the ac
Billions beheaded that refuse the mark
The rapture of the jewish remnant in rev 14

You mean all that happened in secret,or that your beliefs are impossible?

 

[Absolutely]

The proponents of an earlier day have a far far stronger case.

As external evidence you have only the writings of Iraneus who was quoted by Eusebius and Clement and Origen. SO one author who wrote that Jesus died in his 50s. How well did he know his history?

Lol
None of the events have taken place from the gt.
You have failed totally in that dimension.

 

[Absolutely]

Dorothy, it is apparent that you have no Biblical understanding regarding end-time events. The event where Jesus touches down on the Mount of Olives is a future event related to His return to the earth to end the age and not something that has already happened.

She believes.
That is her starting place.
Even the date of rev writing has her on incredibly shaky footing.

 

[Absolutely]

What? The first century christians believed that when the sign Jesus mentioned happened, they needed to leave town immediately. We know this becuase they left town right after armies were surrounding the city and withdrew for a time. That is actually the best proof of what people believe, seeing what they actually do. There were no Jesuits then. The christians knew Jesus was talking of their generation when he warned them and what was coming was described in Revelation and they did not need to be part of it if they left town. Pretty simple. To say that the Jesuits made up that theology is absurd. Those christians knew that the events of revelation were to take place in their lifetimes and we know they knew this because of what they did in accoradance with that belief. It is all pretty simple.

Ad 70 happened.
The warning from mat 24 was heeded and supposedly no believers perished.

But mat 24 has the rapture placed pre flood,pre sodom by Jesus.

That is WHY we go to context.
Mat 24 STARTS with 3 questions....not one elongated mass of a single answer.

 

[Absolutely]

I don’t say I’m a preterist. You can drop the label. But the first century Christians knew that Matthew 24 applied to them certainly lastest when the armies surrounded Jerusalem.

Christians after that can rest assured that doesn’t apply to them. They don’t even live in that city.

Now they asked Jesus more than one question. The end of that age is not the same as the second matter. Just because both are discussed doesn’t mean both happen at the same time. It’s not all Matt 24 or nothing.

Those Christians knew Matt 24 end of age applies to them. This is known cause they left town.

Whatever label you want doesn’t matter.

Re read it.
3 questions SEPARATELY ANSWERED

 

[cv5]

You believe that God, HImself, will forcibly take over the world in a military engagement. The above is not God taking over in a military engagement. God, not man is what you believe.

Or do you believe God will send some nation of people to take over the whole world? That is not what I heard anyone in the whole of dispensationalism say. This is what happened in the above example.

Again, where in the whole of human history has God (Jesus) even taken over in a military invasion manner a nation? WHen I took Israel for his own, it was not a military invasion. ALl who joined his family were volunteers. All who wanted to be his people left Egypt when the timing was ripe. All volunteers. No one at gun or sword point.

Hello again. This Scripture may have failed to draw your attention:

Josh 2:8-13
8 Now before they lay down, she came up to them on the roof, 9 and said to the men: “I know that the Lord has given you the land, that the terror of you has fallen on us, and that all the inhabitants of the land are fainthearted because of you. 10 For we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were on the other side of the Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we heard these things, our hearts melted; neither did there remain any more courage in anyone because of you, for the Lord your God, He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I beg you, swear to me by theLord, since I have shown you kindness, that you also will show kindness to my father’s house, and give me a true token, 13 and spare my father, my mother, my brothers, my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death.”

Rehab new exactly what was going on as did everyone in Jericho, and all the nations roundabout for that matter. And the conquest of Jericho and Canaan was a War of the Lord. And astute Bible students know that the conquest of Canaan is a microcosm for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ when he takes over the entire planet.

 

[DorothyMae]

She believes.
That is her starting place.
Even the date of rev writing has her on incredibly shaky footing.

Actually I know. That is my middle as well as starting place because I searched the scriptures to see if these things be so. But you guys are losing and so attack me personally.

 

[DorothyMae]

Dorothy, it is apparent that you have no Biblical understanding regarding end-time events. The event where Jesus touches down on the Mount of Olives is a future event related to His return to the earth to end the age and not something that has already happened.

Again the old ad hominem response. Sigh!!! This is what you guys use when you run out of arguments. Just attack the person. I’m very sure I know a lot more than you do on the matter. You see, I KNOW your position and can formulate it accurately and without insulting adjectives. You cannot even formulare mine let alone with insulting adjectives.

 

[Ahwatukee]

First, it is not just military action, but supernatural as well. God is going to be taking back ownership of the earth.

Revelation is about the end of human government leading up to Christ's millennial kingdom. The dream that Nebuchadnezzar was initiated by God. Also, God is not taking anything over by military action, but by the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, many of them being supernatural events.



The wrath of God, the Day of the Lord i.e. the coming tribulation period will be something that has never happened before. It is not something that has happened in the past.



Well, you should go back to believing it, because that is where the world is headed, i.e the time of God's wrath.



I have been studying the word of God and Revelation for over 45 years and I have not faced disappointment yet, as I have watched the events unfold here our life time, with the first ATM's, the Universal Product Codes (UPC) and the Point of Sale (POS) and now the implanting of the RFID chip under the skin of the hand.

Your claim is moot, because the events listed in Revelation are already lining up. Take the mark of the beast for example: Currently in Sweden and her sister countries, they are for the most part cashless, making the majority of their purchases with credit and debit cards. Now they are receiving an RFID chip under the skin of the hand between the thumb and index finger which fits right in with Rev.13:16

"He causes all both rich and poor, great and small, free and slave, to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead. Unless anyone had the mark they would be able to buy or sell."

Now there are companies here in the US where their employees are also being chipped under the skin of the hand. Coincidence? Not hardly! This is prophecy being fulfilled and we are living in that last generation. This technology will continue to grow and evolve and is getting set up in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast. It is during the middle of the last seven years that the mark in the right hand or the forehead will become mandatory for buying and selling. At that time, all other methods of buying and selling will become obsolete, so that it will force people to either receive the mark or reject it.



What you said above doesn't make any sense. What purpose would it serve to believe this as being a future event, if you don't base a real decision on that belief? Whatever God has written regarding end time events will and is taking place. In the very beginning of Revelation it states:

"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must take place in quickness. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John"

So once these events of wrath listed in Revelation begin, they will take place like a woman having birth pains, taking place closer together and becoming more intense right up until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. Once the church has been removed, shortly afterwards the antichrist will emerge, which is represented by the rider on the white horse at the opening of the first seal.

By your attitude regarding end time events, you appear to be going through life with your eyes wide shut in regards to Bible prophecy. But you better open them and realize what is going on. Watch the following videos if you dare and see what is going on with this mark technology. These are not Christian driven videos, but is in reference to the fulfillment of scripture regarding the coming mark of the beast, which will continue evolve leading up to the beasts reign.

"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name."

I put a chip in my hand to replace my wallet

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Why human microchipping is so popular in Sweden

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...2743370E610BFFE708A4274&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Sweden sees Micro Chip implant Revelution

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...11162254663A99D9F832111&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

You have a problem with the translation “quickness” because you see events unfolding over 4 DECADES. That’s not quick. What is more, there is no evil in using credit cards or a cashless purchase that condemns one to hell. No one in Sweden (been there recently) is worshipping anything or anyone. So there is a big justice problem.[/quote]

There is not evil in using credit cards, however, we have entered the next phase of that technology which is the RFID mark being put under the skin of the hand, which will eventually evolve into the mark of the beast. You're not seeing the big picture here of what this is leading up to.

You probably don’t live in Europe. I’ve heard Europe is the beast or antichrist for decades....until I got here.

I don't need to live in Europe to see what is going on there. I know that they are receiving chip implants under the skin which among other things, allows them to make purchases with the wave of their hands. This is the technology for the coming mark and you would do well to listen, because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Interesting that you’re not disappointed to see the most horrible time (in your view) unfolding that will subject those you love to unspeakable suffering. You’ll be disappointed to know the Gospel is spreading around the world rapidly and war and violence are decreasing. The klingons if this world are becoming His. It cannot now be stopped.

Ha... Ha .... Ha! War and violence are decreasing?! What planet do you live on? I see now, you are either an Amillennialist or a preterist, which is why you don't understand. For the sake of your belief, you ignore what is really happening. There is no way that war and violence are decreasing. You're speaking of the belief that the world is now going to be Christianized, i.e. it is going to get better and better in preparation for the Lord's return. And so you ignore the literal things of scripture that are taking place because they don't match up to the false teaching that you have adopted.

I have news for you, the world is going to get much, much worse and that because the Day of the Lord is coming, where the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place, which will decimate the population of the earth. Demonic beings are going to be coming up from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth having stings likes scorpions which is the fifth trumpet. In addition a third of the inhabitants will be killed by those four fallen angels and their demonic army of 200 million.

By the way, your reference to "The kingdoms if this world are becoming His" is in reference to the sounding of the seventh trumpet and is referring to when Satan and his angels (which is the third woe) are finally cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. Regarding this, the first seal hasn't even been opened yet, much less the seventh trumpet.

It is apparent to me that you have no idea of what is going to take place regarding what the word of God has to say about end-time events.

What is going to happen, is that this chip technology implanted under the skin of the hand will continue to evolve into what will be the mark of the beast. But prior to the revealing of the antichrist the church will be caught up and then the first seal will be opened which represents the emergence of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse. As proof to you that this is the truth, you will continue to see more and more people world-wide receiving this chip under the skin of the hand which will evolve into something more applicable. what will remain consistent is that whatever this device becomes, it will go in or on the skin of the hand and eventually the forehead, which will eventually be the only way of electronic buying and selling.

True deception is when you don't even realize you're being deceived

 

[cv5]

Actually I know. That is my middle as well as starting place because I searched the scriptures to see if these things be so. But you guys are losing and so attack me personally.

Good heavens you have not built any case whatsoever. I have yet to see you cut and paste one single solitary Scripture to support your view, because quite frankly there aren't any.

For you to say that Jesus Messiah has never gone to war and never will is just absolutely outrageous. I have posted a mere trivial number of Scriptures that prove that he does make war that proves that this is the case beyond any shadow of a doubt. And yes He is going to destroy the nations just as He destroyed Canaan.

 

[cv5]

Again the old ad hominem response. Sigh!!! This is what you guys use when you run out of arguments. Just attack the person. I’m very sure I know a lot more than you do on the matter. You see, I KNOW your position and can formulate it accurately and without insulting adjectives. You cannot even formulare mine let alone with insulting adjectives.

Run out of arguments? I can continue to post for literally weeks on end to support my case. Evidently you've made up your mind and no amount of Scriptures will be able to change it. And that is a very sorry place to be.

 

[Ahwatukee]

She believes.
That is her starting place.
Even the date of rev writing has her on incredibly shaky footing.

She has either been deceived by the teachings of amillennialism or preterism. She actually thinks that the world is getting better and that it going to become Christianized in preparation for Christ's return. But as you know, the world getting better is not what Revelation is about. It is about God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will decimated the majority of the population of the earth. As Jesus said, it will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. Though it was terrible, the destruction of the temple does not fit that criteria.

 

[DorothyMae]

You have a problem with the translation “quickness” because you see events unfolding over 4 DECADES. That’s not quick. What is more, there is no evil in using credit cards or a cashless purchase that condemns one to hell. No one in Sweden (been there recently) is worshipping anything or anyone. So there is a big justice problem.

There is not evil in using credit cards, however, we have entered the next phase of that technology which is the RFID mark being put under the skin of the hand, which will eventually evolve into the mark of the beast. You're not seeing the big picture here of what this is leading up to.



I don't need to live in Europe to see what is going on there. I know that they are receiving chip implants under the skin which among other things, allows them to make purchases with the wave of their hands. This is the technology for the coming mark and you would do well to listen, because you have no idea what you are talking about.



Ha... Ha .... Ha! War and violence are decreasing?! What planet do you live on? I see now, you are either an Amillennialist or a preterist, which is why you don't understand. For the sake of your belief, you ignore what is really happening. There is no way that war and violence are decreasing. You're speaking of the belief that the world is now going to be Christianized, i.e. it is going to get better and better in preparation for the Lord's return. And so you ignore the literal things of scripture that are taking place because they don't match up to the false teaching that you have adopted.

I have news for you, the world is going to get much, much worse and that because the Day of the Lord is coming, where the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place, which will decimate the population of the earth. Demonic beings are going to be coming up from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth having stings likes scorpions which is the fifth trumpet. In addition a third of the inhabitants will be killed by those four fallen angels and their demonic army of 200 million.

By the way, your reference to "The kingdoms if this world are becoming His" is in reference to the sounding of the seventh trumpet and is referring to when Satan and his angels (which is the third woe) are finally cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. Regarding this, the first seal hasn't even been opened yet, much less the seventh trumpet.

It is apparent to me that you have no idea of what is going to take place regarding what the word of God has to say about end-time events.

What is going to happen, is that this chip technology implanted under the skin of the hand will continue to evolve into what will be the mark of the beast. But prior to the revealing of the antichrist the church will be caught up and then the first seal will be opened which represents the emergence of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse. As proof to you that this is the truth, you will continue to see more and more people world-wide receiving this chip under the skin of the hand which will evolve into something more applicable. what will remain consistent is that whatever this device becomes, it will go in or on the skin of the hand and eventually the forehead, which will eventually be the only way of electronic buying and selling.

True deception is when you don't even realize you're being deceived

You love your doom and gloom eschatology, I guess. It does not produce good fruit. Even the title is one of deep intolerance and jeering at fellow believers, No good fruit.


Dispensationalism has stripped the church of its power to change the world for christ. At least no one had heard of the rapture business until the 19th century. And it’s dying out.

You guys should look at how abusive you become defending it. That alone makes one suspicious.

 

[DorothyMae]

She has either been deceived by the teachings of amillennialism or preterism. She actually thinks that the world is getting better and that it going to become Christianized in preparation for Christ's return. But as you know, the world getting better is not what Revelation is about. It is about God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will decimated the majority of the population of the earth. As Jesus said, it will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. Though it was terrible, the destruction of the temple does not fit that criteria.

The world is getting better everywhere but in the west it at least the Anglo-American culture. It’s a strange heart that delights in hearing that evil in increasing and hates to hear the gospel is going forth.

 

[Dino246]

It looks like they are pretty well organised. "International Preterist Association"

https://www.preterist.org/about-us/what-is-preterist-view/ Are speaking for themselves here?

"partial" or "full" it looks like a sect under deception to me.

You can go here for a long list of Preterist web sites and sources.
https://prophecyquestions.com/2013/01/01/preterist-websites/
Some may or may not be accessible.

But here is what the International Preterist Association says about itself: "We believe Scripture teaches Christ would come again in that first century generation while some of His original disciples were still alive, to raise the dead, change the living, and catch up both groups together into the heavenly presence of Christ. "

Feel free to quote the IPA and criticize their statements and views, since they are published. However, don't make the mistake of thinking that they actually speak for all preterists, or that all preterists agree with their views.