Tell me if I have this right about your idea of what happens in heaven

[The_Watchers_2017]

HUH? Genesis 6 is very clear. The sons of GOD saw that the daughters of MEN were beautiful. And you think they impregnated them from a distance? LOL

They most definitely did INDEED SEE what God did, by making a Creation, more VALUABLE than their own to God. They SAW the LOVE from GOD about this Creation that in their own creation as Angels, did not exist.

Their job for God is ""only"" SERVING GOD in ALL of God's Will and Purpose. They are ROBOTS.

and then when some of These Angels, who became Fallen, ""SAW"" how truly connected God was to this Creation. How God allowed them to Sin and have Forgiveness. No Doubt, in the GARDEN, Satan heard, God say, Eat and DIE. and when they ate and [did not] DIE, next plan of interbreeding and creating Demons were being set into place.


JOHN,
the FIRST RULE of an Angel, NO FREE WILL contact, with human beings.

these Fallen Angels, not only broke no contact with humans, they tried to connect into the human blood line and destroy the Lineage to the Messiah.

Once they saw No Death in the Garden, and the Tree of Life going to be a part of this Plan, the only way to stop it was contaminating the genetic bloodline.

You see, sex, but this was an outright Military Attack against God!

there NEVER was SEX involved!

Jude, even says it means going after Strange Flesh like Sodom & G.

a man wanting a man is as equally sinful as an Angel wanting a Human [Woman] = Strange Flesh.

it's not even about having sex, it is about if you should choose what God says is forbidden.

same sex is Forbidden by God to Human Beings
Angels making themselves visible, tangible, communicative, and then use their power to seduce and plant seed into the womb of human women, is Forbidden by God on a multitude of levels and rules broken

Strange Flesh, is how the Bible calls it.

sorry John, but [[Strange Flesh]], is not a term that in any way/shape/form/manner can mean sexual activities

 

[JohnB]

They most definitely did INDEED SEE what God did, by making a Creation, more VALUABLE than their own to God. They SAW the LOVE from GOD about this Creation that in their own creation as Angels, did not exist.

Their job for God is ""only"" SERVING GOD in ALL of God's Will and Purpose. They are ROBOTS.

and then when some of These Angels, who became Fallen, ""SAW"" how truly connected God was to this Creation. How God allowed them to Sin and have Forgiveness. No Doubt, in the GARDEN, Satan heard, God say, Eat and DIE. and when they ate and [did not] DIE, next plan of interbreeding and creating Demons were being set into place.


JOHN,
the FIRST RULE of an Angel, NO FREE WILL contact, with human beings.

these Fallen Angels, not only broke no contact with humans, they tried to connect into the human blood line and destroy the Lineage to the Messiah.

Once they saw No Death in the Garden, and the Tree of Life going to be a part of this Plan, the only way to stop it was contaminating the genetic bloodline.

You see sex, but this was an outright Military Attack against God!

there NEVER was SEX involved!

Jude, even says it means going after Strange Flesh like Sodom & G.

a man wanting a man is as equally sinful as an Angel wanting a Human [Woman] = Strange Flesh.

it's not even about having sex, it is about if you should choose what God says is forbidden.

same sex is Forbidden by God to Human Beings
Angels making themselves visible, tangible, communicative, and then use their power to seduce and plant seed into the womb of human women, is Forbidden by God on a multitude of levels and rules broken

Strange Flesh, is how the Bible calls it.

sorry John, but [[Strange Flesh]], is not a term that in any way/shape/form/manner can mean sexual activities

"the FIRST RULE of an Angel, NO FREE WILL contact, with human beings "...where did you get this from the bible? Show me the verses.

 

[JohnB]

Where a man who seduces a woman is forced to marry her and pay the bride's price and is never allowed to divorce her for any reason whatsoever and the father doesn't necessarily have to give the daughter to him so he's married to a woman that he may not actually have, but has to solely support for the rest of her life because hey seduced her and this sounds good to you?

"has to solely support for the rest of her life ".....he pays the brides price....50 shekels of silver. It's not for life. About the marriage, in any marriage Jesus was clear it was meant for life. It wasn't a punishment.

 

[JohnB]

That's an odd take on those verses. Job is well aware of his sinlessness before the Lord. So I don't understand why you think he believes he will sin.
Job is certainly at the end of himself and probably somewhat depressed. His friends have failed him miserably, and God has yet to respond to his cry. Coming to the realization that he was unable to change his condition is where we all need to come. This realization causes us to turn fully towards God. It is in such a humbled and broken estate that God comes and shows Himself to be sufficient for all our needs.
My concern for you is that, despite a number of people offering you very good counsel, you continue pursuing a path that brings you no closer to relief or God.

Job was not being humble, he was asking GOD to kill him and end his pain.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

"the FIRST RULE of an Angel, NO FREE WILL contact, with human beings "...where did you get this from the bible? Show me the verses.

Satan was not allowed to touch Job until God gave him permission.
Satan, is an Angel/Fallen

Satan, also was punished for deceiving Eve. he made contact and even though she sinned, Satan, paid the biggest price.

the Angels, you think had sex, we know from Jude and Peter in Jail now [Enoch tells this also]

they are in jail for having "contact" with humans without God sending them as Messengers or Warriors.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Satan, even had to ask God if he could sift Peter.
see, Satan, is another Angel, needing permission to touch/communicate/etc

 

[Cameron143]

Job was not being humble, he was asking GOD to kill him and end his pain.

It's only a humble and contrite heart that God does not despise. I don't deny that Job complained to God. Most people do at some point or other. Elijah did. Jeremiah did. Jonah did. These are but a few. God seems able to work through their discouragement to bring restoration and blessing. The same is available to you.

 

[JohnB]

Satan was not allowed to touch Job until God gave him permission.
Satan, is an Angel/Fallen

Satan, also was punished for deceiving Eve. he made contact and even though she sinned, Satan, paid the biggest price.

the Angels, you think had sex, we know from Jude and Peter in Jail now [Enoch tells this also]

they are in jail for having "contact" with humans without God sending them as Messengers or Warriors.

Yet angels ate with Abraham and Lot. Abraham washed the feet of the angels.

Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree.,,,,Genesis 18:4

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yet angels ate with Abraham and Lot. Abraham washed the feet of the angels.

Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree.,,,,Genesis 18:4

and one was the LORD, Whom afterwards, destroyed Sodom.

they are doing God's Will and God's Will was to spend time with Abraham and the Angels were granted same privilege.

 

[JohnB]

It's only a humble and contrite heart that God does not despise. I don't deny that Job complained to God. Most people do at some point or other. Elijah did. Jeremiah did. Jonah did. These are but a few. God seems able to work through their discouragement to bring restoration and blessing. The same is available to you.

yet it has not happened. People who don't even believe in GOD are blessed with a family and marriage. But some how, Christians keep blaming me for lacking something.

 

[JohnB]

Satan was not allowed to touch Job until God gave him permission.
Satan, is an Angel/Fallen

Satan, also was punished for deceiving Eve. he made contact and even though she sinned, Satan, paid the biggest price.

the Angels, you think had sex, we know from Jude and Peter in Jail now [Enoch tells this also]

they are in jail for having "contact" with humans without God sending them as Messengers or Warriors.

by the way, GOD did not condemn the angels in Genesis 6 for what they did. Nowhere in Genesis 6 did GOD tell them it was wrong.

 

[JohnB]

and one was the LORD, Whom afterwards, destroyed Sodom.

they are doing God's Will and God's Will was to spend time with Abraham and the Angels were granted same privilege.

Nowhere in the bible does it say angels are not to interact with humans.

 

[Cameron143]

yet it has not happened. People who don't even believe in GOD are blessed with a family and marriage. But some how, Christians keep blaming me for lacking something.

What you lack that is of any real importance is a better knowledge and understanding of God and his ways. Regardless of where you place the blame for your current circumstances, God could have changed your circumstances at any time and did not. There is purpose in this.
To me, you have a choice. You can continue down the same path and get the same results, or you can try another option.
I have a great deal of sympathy for you and all that you have endured. I just don't understand why you wouldn't be willing to try something else.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

by the way, GOD did not condemn the angels in Genesis 6 for what they did. Nowhere in Genesis 6 did GOD tell them it was wrong.

it's in the Oral Tradition of Enoch, that the Jews held true as we do the Books of the Bible.
but in our Bible, Peter and Jude and Paul explains things from Enoch and those things are about these Angels + Jude also talks about Oral Tradition of Enoch concerning the Second Coming of Jesus.

So, yes, we know it is Specifically about Genesis 6.

if God was [[SO TICKLED PINK]] "happy" with these Fallen Angels, why did HE KILL all "their BABIES" from them DROWNING in Noah's Flood?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Nowhere in the bible does it say angels are not to interact with humans.

they are to always 100% be obeying God.

meeting human women, was not something God told them to do.

 

[JohnB]

What you lack that is of any real importance is a better knowledge and understanding of God and his ways. Regardless of where you place the blame for your current circumstances, God could have changed your circumstances at any time and did not. There is purpose in this.
To me, you have a choice. You can continue down the same path and get the same results, or you can try another option.
I have a great deal of sympathy for you and all that you have endured. I just don't understand why you wouldn't be willing to try something else.

I have tried many other options....all of them being blocked,and yet my strongest desire is for companionship and family.

 

[JohnB]

they are to always 100% be obeying God.

meeting human women, was not something God told them to do.

GOD gave his consent when he allowed them to have relationships.

 

[JohnB]

it's in the Oral Tradition of Enoch, that the Jews held true as we do the Books of the Bible.
but in our Bible, Peter and Jude and Paul explains things from Enoch and those things are about these Angels + Jude also talks about Oral Tradition of Enoch concerning the Second Coming of Jesus.

So, yes, we know it is Specifically about Genesis 6.

if God was [[SO TICKLED PINK]] "happy" with these Fallen Angels, why did HE KILL all "their BABIES" from them DROWNING in Noah's Flood?

Some understand this to mean that it was angels who inter-married with human women in rebellion against God and were punished. Others suggest Peter means to describe angels who were cast from heaven along with Lucifer, the devil,

But left their own habitation - To wit, according to the common interpretation, in heaven. The word rendered "habitation" (οἰκητήριον oikētērion) occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. It means here that heaven was their native abode or dwelling-place. They left it by sin; but the expression here would seem possibly to mean that they became "dissatisfied" with their abode, and voluntarily preferred to change it for another. If they did become thus dissatisfied, the cause is wholly unknown, and conjecture is useless.

 

[Cameron143]

I have tried many other options....all of them being blocked,and yet my strongest desire is for companionship and family.

We've come full circle now. Your strongest desire should be to know God...Psalm 23:1.

 

[JohnB]

We've come full circle now. Your strongest desire should be to know God...Psalm 23:1.

"
Some time later, the LORD spoke to Abram in a vision and said to him, “Do not be afraid, Abram, for I will protect you, and your reward will be great.”

But Abram replied, “O Sovereign LORD, what good are all your blessings when I don’t even have a son? Since you’ve given me no children, Eliezer of Damascus, a servant in my household, will inherit all my wealth. You have given me no descendants of my own, so one of my servants will be my heir.”

Abram's response to GOD's promise was.....thanks, but no thanks, not interested. I want a son, not more rewards. He was pouring out his heart to the LORD.