Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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Truth7t7

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That is why the Levitical High Priest ( Moses) was not allowed to enter Israel.
It is a prophetic picture.

Moses hit the rock twice. That is a picture of the Levitical priesthood putting Jesus to death, (strike 1),
but then refusing to accept him as the resurrected Lord (strike 2 - the strike which offends God as i understand it - 'it pleased him to bruise his son'). Israel however entered the Promised Land.

The Church is Judah-Israel, whilst Israel of the flesh is Levi-Israel (still not yet in the promised land)
I cant disagree the Church is interchanged with the tribe of Judah in many places of the scripture

To keep it "simple" for those in the forum, the word (Church) will be used when its seen and applies, so no confusion will be made with the babes present, milk not meat
 

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The concept of two Houses of israel actually courses through the Bible.
From Joseph vs Judah
to
Israel vs Judah
and continues in the New Covenant era

except now it is House of Levi 'Vs' House of judah

The Church is obviously the House of Judah, but clearly both houses are Israel
You appear to have a hard time accepting the fact, National Ethnic Israel, children of the "Flesh" they are not the children of God

God's Israel Is The Church, Children of The Promised Seed, Its That Simple :)

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel, "Flesh"

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

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Every nation has the right to defend its off. The size of the nation can be in question. The type of so-called offence they are mounting doesn't seem right or fair. Ultimately we need to realise that this land does not belong to us, it belongs to creation / god. The ego of man always causes negative acts.
 
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You appear to have a hard time accepting the fact, National Ethnic Israel, children of the "Flesh" they are not the children of God

God's Israel Is The Church, Children of The Promised Seed, Its That Simple :)

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel, "Flesh"

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Why do you think that?
 

Truth7t7

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Every nation has the right to defend its off. The size of the nation can be in question. The type of so-called offence they are mounting doesn't seem right or fair. Ultimately we need to realise that this land does not belong to us, it belongs to creation / god. The ego of man always causes negative acts.
3,000 rockets from Hamas, command operations, and underground tunnels around civilians and their housing?

I believe Netanyahu is going to utterly destroy Hamas, and their future capabilities, this is just the start

Could you imagine a military presence (Israel) warning the enemy to get out of and away from targets before there destruction, as they move to protect civilian lives
 
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What future covenant(s) does God have, with National Ethnic Israel of the "Flesh"?
Well the Davidic Covenant states that God will NEVER remove his mercy from the House Of David.

2 Samuel 7: 14 If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him

The Moabite Covenant - Deuteronomy 29/30 - is absolutely crystal clear.

30: 1And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
 

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3,000 rockets from Hamas, command operations, and underground tunnels around civilians and their housing?

I believe Netanyahu is going to utterly destroy Hamas, and their future capabilities, this is just the start

Could you imagine a military presence (Israel) warning the enemy to get out of and away from targets before there destruction, as they move to protect civilian lives
I don't think that hurting people who are mostly innocent will ever destroy a philosophy or a view that is holding people's mind
 

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Well the Davidic Covenant states that God will NEVER remove his mercy from the House Of David.

2 Samuel 7: 14 If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him

The Moabite Covenant - Deuteronomy 29/30 - is absolutely crystal clear.

30: 1And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
God has no ongoing Covenant with David, outside of his seed in Jesus Christ, who is the fulfillment to Abraham and David's covenant in the Church

The Moabite covenant was broken by Israel of the flesh many times over, God has divorced her,she rejected the chief corner stone

It appears that you are having a hard time seeing God has made the Church his Israel, and the only covenant that exist is the shed blood on Calvary, in repentance and salvation?

Deuteronomy 29:9-12KJV
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
 

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The Kingdom of God has been taken from Natiinal Ethnic Israel, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit

It appears that Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth

The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple :)

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again :)

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed :)

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
When has this promise made to Israel been fulfilled?

Micah. 4.
It shall come to pass in the latter days

That the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains and shall be raised above the hills,
and peoples shall flow to it and many nations come and say "Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that He may teach us His ways and we may walk in His paths"

For out of Zion shall go forth the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between many peoples and shall decide for strong nations afar off.

And they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks
nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more
but they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree and none shall make him afraid
for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken.

Not only has this prophecy never been fulfilled but it cannot be fulfilled until AFTER the Lord comes for He tells us that right up to the moment of His return there will be wars and disaster.
 
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God has no ongoing Covenant with David, outside of his seed in Jesus Christ, who is the fulfillment to Abraham and David's covenant in the Church

The Moabite covenant was broken by Israel of the flesh many times over, God has divorced her

It appears that you are having a hard time seeing God has made the Church his Israel, and the only covenant that exist is the shed blood on Calvary, in repentance and salvation?

Deuteronomy 29:9-12KJV
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
Do you just spout off for fun? to see how far you can go before you look totally absurd?
The Davidic Covenant is an everlasting Covenant. Got that?

Where in the Moabite Covenant does God divorce Israel. In fact where else, post the 2nd Temple? Show us.
 

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Anti-scriptural twaddle


Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


28 Hitherto is the end of the matter.
Hitherto who has said anything different? but folks are saying there will be no kingdom under heaven. The saints are not going to rule over God in Heaven ... are they
 
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Truth 7t7 please give this a listen then tell me what you think.
I post these videos because I am not good in spelling of explaining.
In fact I ask all who see this post to take time to listen to this video....please.

 
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What future covenant(s) does God have, with National Ethnic Israel of the "Flesh"?
Once again.

Gods promises and gifts are irrevocable. gods covenants with national ethnic Israel have been valid since they were given, eternal means forever,

Gods covenant made to Israel was FOREVER (gen 12, 15 and 17)

Genesis 12:1–2 (NKJV): Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;

Genesis 15:18–21 (NKJV): To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Genesis 17:8 (NKJV): Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

FOEVER (everlasting) has not ended last I looked. And the land is still there last I looked.,

It is this fact you refuse to acknowledge
 

Truth7t7

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I don't think that hurting people who are mostly innocent will ever destroy a philosophy or a view that is holding people's mind
I agree, shooting 3,000 rockets at innocent people is a bad thing, and should be stopped from happening again :)
 

Evmur

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Once again.

Gods promises and gifts are irrevocable. gods covenants with national ethnic Israel have been valid since they were given, eternal means forever,

Gods covenant made to Israel was FOREVER (gen 12, 15 and 17)

Genesis 12:1–2 (NKJV): Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;

Genesis 15:18–21 (NKJV): To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Genesis 17:8 (NKJV): Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

FOEVER (everlasting) has not ended last I looked. And the land is still there last I looked.,

It is this fact you refuse to acknowledge
Amen, it's strange that christians insist upon their election, they insist that forever means forever when it applies to the promises made to them.

God will never renege on them

But they say He has reneged on the Jews.
 
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Amen, it's strange that christians insist upon their election, they insist that forever means forever when it applies to the promises made to them.

God will never renege on them

But they say He has reneged on the Jews.
I am not sure he even believes eternal life is eternal, I could be wrong but I wonder if he thinks it can be lost,
 

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Do you just spout off for fun? to see how far you can go before you look totally absurd?
The Davidic Covenant is an everlasting Covenant. Got that?

Where in the Moabite Covenant does God divorce Israel. In fact where else, post the 2nd Temple? Show us.
We will disagree with your claims of a Davidic covenant, it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ

And as stated Israel broke the covenant made in Deuteronomy 29 many times over, the kingdom has been taken from Israel of the "Flesh" and given to Israel the Church

Questions?

1. Do you believe in a future literal Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ?

If so, what will it look like?

2. Jews in a priesthood ruling the earth from Jerusalem?

3. Jesus on a physical throne in Jerusalem or where?

4. Mortal humans present?
 

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We will disagree with your claims of a Davidic covenant, it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ

And as stated Israel broke the covenant made in Deuteronomy 29 many times over, the kingdom has been taken from Israel of the "Flesh" and given to Israel the Church

Questions?

1. Do you believe in a future literal Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ?

If so, what will it look like?

2. Jews in a priesthood ruling the earth from Jerusalem?

3. Jesus on a physical throne in Jerusalem or where?

4. Mortal humans present?
The new covenant is made with the Jews ... we Gentiles have graciously been included in it ... but don't exalt yourself against the Jews brother.
 

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Truth 7t7 please give this a listen then tell me what you think.
I post these videos because I am not good in spelling of explaining.
In fact I ask all who see this post to take time to listen to this video....please.

I watched the video, Cahn is the basic messianic Jew preaching Christian Zionism, nothing new the standard message