Struggling reading through romans 8 & 9 and Calvinism.
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John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Only FALSE humanistic teachings have problems with the Sovereignty of God.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Only FALSE humanistic teachings have problems with the Sovereignty of God.
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I would interject to say that at the same time, God will not override fallen man's own will, and will never force anyone to hear, believe and receive the gift of eternal life, reconciliation and eternal fellowship with Him.
IMO, the New Covenant....like the old......is agreed to by both parties.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
I have seen so many unsaved who say this very thing. For whatever reasons. Love of sin. Hate for righteousness. Hating the light. Willful denial, willful ignorance. A non-serious attitude to God's word and command.
Luk 14:17
“and sent his servant at supper time to say to those who were invited, ‘Come, for all things are now ready.’
Luk 14:18
“But they all with one accord began to make excuses. The first said to him, ‘I have bought a piece of ground, and I must go and see it. I ask you to have me excused.’
Luk 14:19
“And another said, ‘I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to test them. I ask you to have me excused.’
Luk 14:20
“Still another said, ‘I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’
IMO, the New Covenant....like the old......is agreed to by both parties.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
I have seen so many unsaved who say this very thing. For whatever reasons. Love of sin. Hate for righteousness. Hating the light. Willful denial, willful ignorance. A non-serious attitude to God's word and command.
Luk 14:17
“and sent his servant at supper time to say to those who were invited, ‘Come, for all things are now ready.’
Luk 14:18
“But they all with one accord began to make excuses. The first said to him, ‘I have bought a piece of ground, and I must go and see it. I ask you to have me excused.’
Luk 14:19
“And another said, ‘I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to test them. I ask you to have me excused.’
Luk 14:20
“Still another said, ‘I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.’
I have always noticed how it is the same defense, the Calvinists insists they are defending the sovereignty of God.
As though God cannot provide a plan of salvation which allows people come to Him by the power of persuasion of the truth of the Gospel.
Their argument, in my view diminishes God and reduces him to a tyrant. God is not so fragile about His power and sovereignty.
People have agency and we were created that way by God because God has agency.
I agree it is sickening.
But I maintain, that falling into this warped view of God is because of a certain personality bent within a person, someone should really study this more. Calvin would be a good first starting example, he sure had a need for absolute power.
As though God cannot provide a plan of salvation which allows people come to Him by the power of persuasion of the truth of the Gospel.
Their argument, in my view diminishes God and reduces him to a tyrant. God is not so fragile about His power and sovereignty.
People have agency and we were created that way by God because God has agency.
I agree it is sickening.
But I maintain, that falling into this warped view of God is because of a certain personality bent within a person, someone should really study this more. Calvin would be a good first starting example, he sure had a need for absolute power.
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The clay had no choice in what it turned out to be.
The natural man, before God exchanges his stoney heart, quickening him to a fleshy heart, that can be pricked to feel spiritual guilt, he is unable to repent of breaking one of God's spiritual, which he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness. (1 Cor 2:14)
Christ's sacrifice on the cross was a sacrifice to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance. There was no repentance of sins, from those that Christ died to redeem them of their sins. Christ did not die for all mankind, but only those that his Father gave to him (John 6:39) ( John 10:26-29)
Only the born again children of God will repent of breaking spiritual laws. Repent saves (delivers) the born again children from their loss of God's fellowship, temporary, until the repent. Even though they lose their fellowship with God, temporary, they do not lose their eternal inheritance.
It is you that is reducing Christ's sacrifice to nothing, by reducing the fact that Christ's sacrifice to redeem those that his Father gave him (not all mankind) was successful, also securing their eternal inheritance.
You also reduce God's power, saying that it is God's will to deliver all mankind to eternal heaven, claiming that God does not have the power to usurp authority over mankind's choices in his eternal deliverance.
Dan 4:35 - And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing, and He doeth according to His will, in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest thou?
Eph 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
The two scriptures that you have referenced are pertaining to God's disobedient people and his judgement over them (Deut 32;48-52) Is another example when God judged Mases, by not letting him go over into the promised land.
The scriptures you have quoted are God's people, and will be among those in heaven.
have you ever wondered why certain things appear in parenthesis in between the scripture ?
Often what I do is this
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
Romans 9:6-13 KJV
(for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
a that is some unknown persons “ interpretation “
brother I don’t interpret the Bible and I don’t value one verse against another.
I read what is being said in a letter or section or chapter and whatever I can grasp I believe it. I believe each scripture doesn’t need interpretation because the whole chapters and letters and sections are self exapainitory and don’t require “ interpretations “ but sincere hearing and believing
i bekieve the Bible’s New Testament is so plain and clear that many of us mistakenly see it as a mysterious riddle where each sentance holds its own message
I look at it like a whole testament that holds one message that doesn’t contradict itself like one verse theology causes by removing all the many verses that reconcile one concept to another
But as far as “ the elect “ they should be here in thier thinking rather than trying to convince of no works and no choice no Will “the elect “ need to be wondering what this means
“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:12-17 KJV
That’s one small section of instruction to the “ elect “ do you see this part ?
“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;”
thats what the elect do and grow in that’s where they learn and where the blessing and election happens for the believer of the gospel
Often what I do is this
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
Romans 9:6-13 KJV
(for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
a that is some unknown persons “ interpretation “
brother I don’t interpret the Bible and I don’t value one verse against another.
I read what is being said in a letter or section or chapter and whatever I can grasp I believe it. I believe each scripture doesn’t need interpretation because the whole chapters and letters and sections are self exapainitory and don’t require “ interpretations “ but sincere hearing and believing
i bekieve the Bible’s New Testament is so plain and clear that many of us mistakenly see it as a mysterious riddle where each sentance holds its own message
I look at it like a whole testament that holds one message that doesn’t contradict itself like one verse theology causes by removing all the many verses that reconcile one concept to another
But as far as “ the elect “ they should be here in thier thinking rather than trying to convince of no works and no choice no Will “the elect “ need to be wondering what this means
“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:12-17 KJV
That’s one small section of instruction to the “ elect “ do you see this part ?
“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;”
thats what the elect do and grow in that’s where they learn and where the blessing and election happens for the believer of the gospel
🙂that’s exactly why I don’t “ interpret “ things
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
“but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
Romans 2:8-9 KJV
“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
1 Peter 4:17-
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
that’s why those many many “gospel of grace “ books and we don’t have any choice ideations are leading people astray because we interpret away what’s very plain and what would cause us to repent if we didn’t keep rejecting the truth and trying to make it something it’s never been and never will be
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:26-31 KJV
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
“but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
Romans 2:8-9 KJV
“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?”
1 Peter 4:17-
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
that’s why those many many “gospel of grace “ books and we don’t have any choice ideations are leading people astray because we interpret away what’s very plain and what would cause us to repent if we didn’t keep rejecting the truth and trying to make it something it’s never been and never will be
So, you are one of those that think the scriptures teach that there is only one kind of world, and that world is the world that God loves.
John 14:17 - (Is the world that God loves the same world in this scripture) Even the Spirit of truth, whom the "world" cannot receive.
John 15:18-19 - If the "world" hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the "world" the "world" would love his own, but because ye are not of the "world", but I have chosen you out of the "world", therefore the "world" hateth you.
John 16:20 - Verly, Verly, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the "world" shall rejoice, and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy.
John 17:9 - I pray for them, I pray not for the "world", but for them thou hast given me, for they are thine.
John 17:14 - I have given them the word, and the "world" hath hated them, because they are not of the "world", even as I am not of the "world".
John 17:25 - O righteous Father, the "world" hath not know thee, but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
1 Cor 2:12 - Now we have received, not the spirit of the "world", but the spirit which is off God
1 Cor 5:9-10 - I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators, yet not altogether with the fornicators of this "world"
1 Cor 11:32 - But when we are judged of the Lord that we should not be condemned with the "world".
Gal 1:4 - (Speaking to the church in Galatia) Who gave himself for our sins (those that his Father gave to him), that he might deliver us from this present evil "world" , according to the will of God and our Father.
There are many more scriptures of the world that God hates, but these should give you the understanding that there is a different world than the world that is in John 3:16.
If you do not interpret the scriptures is the reason that you come up with scriptures that do not harmonize with each other.
You have instructions from Paul to study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly divide the word of truth.
You are not rightly dividing the word of truth.
“If you do not interpret the scriptures is the reason that you come up with scriptures that do not harmonize with each other.”
They all harmonize lol it’s one continuos message that becomes clearer when you don’t try to use one verse theology
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( this verse doesn’t end anything else you have to keep reading )
not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
Those verses don’t contrast and eliminate the others when your saying “ grace “ it’s this kind of grace that we are saved by through faith
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15
Grace teaches us to repent
“teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,”
and to obey the lord
and embrace the things Jesus taught us to do not label them “ a work of the law “
“we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
And to be zealous of good works
“redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort,”
saying “ I’m saved by grace no works involved the end “ will never teach what Gods grace teaches us in the gospel it will never teach us to repent and obey God but that’s what Gods grace teaches
did you know everything Paul spoke and wrote was to achieve this end ?
“For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,”
Romans 15:18 KJV
arhats never going to happen by repeating this verse to everyone and explaining there’s nothing to do
“For by grace are ye saved through faith;”
the reason you don’t think scriptire reconciles is you refuse to accept the part that’s meant to cause repentance and obedience which is Paul’s entire goal of everything he says about grace
a you learn to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts when you start listening to the lords word even in Paul’s letters it’s the same
a you learn to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts when you don’t pretend this isn’t part of what Paul’s teaching
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
a when your able romper tbat into your thinking your going to start understsnding it’s not about anyone’s “ interpretation “ of this verse of that verse but to accept and believe what you are learning like above there that’s as true as anything paul said and is part of a gods grace that saves it’s the part that teaches us
“teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”
nothing will ever reconcile if we refuse to hear it , me personally I believe it’s true and let it work in my mind to bring repentance and righteousness the work of Gods grace
and I don’t pretend one verse elsewhere erases what I learn it all works together to this end
This is a good example of Gods grace teaching a believer of they will hear it
“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.”
Colossians 3:8-14 KJV
it’s like the gospel of grace books are saying grace means nothing applies nothing to learn. I thing to do your saved your saved your the elect nothing can change it “
It’s foolishness to reject Gods word and what he said will save people based on a single verse from any apostles letter
theres no interpretation needed theres hearing and believing that’s needed and not rejecting and “ interpreting away “ what it plainly says
God has given everyone the same offer of salvation jew and gentile old and young male and female and he’s said “ hear me and believe and I will save you “
she’s calling us to repent and live right before him some will respond and some won’t based on what they reject and what they allow into thier thinking
They all harmonize lol it’s one continuos message that becomes clearer when you don’t try to use one verse theology
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( this verse doesn’t end anything else you have to keep reading )
not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
Those verses don’t contrast and eliminate the others when your saying “ grace “ it’s this kind of grace that we are saved by through faith
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15
Grace teaches us to repent
“teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,”
and to obey the lord
and embrace the things Jesus taught us to do not label them “ a work of the law “
“we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
And to be zealous of good works
“redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort,”
saying “ I’m saved by grace no works involved the end “ will never teach what Gods grace teaches us in the gospel it will never teach us to repent and obey God but that’s what Gods grace teaches
did you know everything Paul spoke and wrote was to achieve this end ?
“For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,”
Romans 15:18 KJV
arhats never going to happen by repeating this verse to everyone and explaining there’s nothing to do
“For by grace are ye saved through faith;”
the reason you don’t think scriptire reconciles is you refuse to accept the part that’s meant to cause repentance and obedience which is Paul’s entire goal of everything he says about grace
a you learn to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts when you start listening to the lords word even in Paul’s letters it’s the same
a you learn to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts when you don’t pretend this isn’t part of what Paul’s teaching
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
a when your able romper tbat into your thinking your going to start understsnding it’s not about anyone’s “ interpretation “ of this verse of that verse but to accept and believe what you are learning like above there that’s as true as anything paul said and is part of a gods grace that saves it’s the part that teaches us
“teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”
nothing will ever reconcile if we refuse to hear it , me personally I believe it’s true and let it work in my mind to bring repentance and righteousness the work of Gods grace
and I don’t pretend one verse elsewhere erases what I learn it all works together to this end
This is a good example of Gods grace teaching a believer of they will hear it
“But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.”
Colossians 3:8-14 KJV
it’s like the gospel of grace books are saying grace means nothing applies nothing to learn. I thing to do your saved your saved your the elect nothing can change it “
It’s foolishness to reject Gods word and what he said will save people based on a single verse from any apostles letter
theres no interpretation needed theres hearing and believing that’s needed and not rejecting and “ interpreting away “ what it plainly says
God has given everyone the same offer of salvation jew and gentile old and young male and female and he’s said “ hear me and believe and I will save you “
she’s calling us to repent and live right before him some will respond and some won’t based on what they reject and what they allow into thier thinking
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I agree. The ones disrespecting the blood of Christ are the ones who trod him underfoot.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom.2:4
Our Savior patiently enduring the vile sins being committed against him is the best example of the goodness of God.
You're hitting it on the nail head. Those days are upon us and it is much like the deception of many Jewish people, who believe they are Gods' chosen no matter what they do.
Personally, I had no answers. What changed my view is that I didn't understand why God would pour his wrath out on his Son, so I asked him. He said, "I didn''t pour out wrath on my Son. Mankind did." That was the thought I received as clear as day in my mind, but it wasn't my thought, because it never occured to me. After that, all scripture just fell into place. 😊
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom.2:4
Our Savior patiently enduring the vile sins being committed against him is the best example of the goodness of God.
You're hitting it on the nail head. Those days are upon us and it is much like the deception of many Jewish people, who believe they are Gods' chosen no matter what they do.
Personally, I had no answers. What changed my view is that I didn't understand why God would pour his wrath out on his Son, so I asked him. He said, "I didn''t pour out wrath on my Son. Mankind did." That was the thought I received as clear as day in my mind, but it wasn't my thought, because it never occured to me. After that, all scripture just fell into place. 😊
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a haha like I was saying brother whenever you choose to speak here it always is so concise and really makes a good point
“Personally, I had no answers. What changed my view is that I didn't understand why God would pour his wrath out on his Son, so I asked him. He said, "I didn''t pour out wrath on my Son. Mankind did." That was the thought I received as clear as day in my mind, but it wasn't my thought, because it never occured to me. After that, all scripture just fell into place. 😊”
Love that point as well
God bless and keep you brother I hope to see you at home
“Personally, I had no answers. What changed my view is that I didn't understand why God would pour his wrath out on his Son, so I asked him. He said, "I didn''t pour out wrath on my Son. Mankind did." That was the thought I received as clear as day in my mind, but it wasn't my thought, because it never occured to me. After that, all scripture just fell into place. 😊”
Love that point as well
God bless and keep you brother I hope to see you at home
I agree. The ones disrespecting the blood of Christ are the ones who trod him underfoot.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom.2:4
Our Savior patiently enduring the vile sins being committed against him is the goodness of God.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom.2:4
Our Savior patiently enduring the vile sins being committed against him is the goodness of God.
Our Savior patiently enduring the vile sins being committed against him is the goodness of God
amen “the goodness of God that leads one to repentance “
because as he is being so patient and forebearing with us it’s to the same purpose
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
That requires him to be patient with sinners and forebearing as we grow in faith the fruits begin to flourish and repentance becomes freedom ( a lifetimes worth of forebearance from God and perseverance from us
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
He’s trying to enslave and kill us Gods calling us out of that trap of Satan in this world
knowing fully the truth is “ God is always willing to forgive me when I mess up I just acknolwedge in humility and repent and press on
our calling to repentance and righteousness is here while he’s being patient
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Really truly brother good stuff always from you it’s a benefit to me at least
Have you ever studied the sin sacrifice in Moses law ? And it’s two functions ?
amen “the goodness of God that leads one to repentance “
because as he is being so patient and forebearing with us it’s to the same purpose
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
That requires him to be patient with sinners and forebearing as we grow in faith the fruits begin to flourish and repentance becomes freedom ( a lifetimes worth of forebearance from God and perseverance from us
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
He’s trying to enslave and kill us Gods calling us out of that trap of Satan in this world
knowing fully the truth is “ God is always willing to forgive me when I mess up I just acknolwedge in humility and repent and press on
our calling to repentance and righteousness is here while he’s being patient
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Really truly brother good stuff always from you it’s a benefit to me at least
Have you ever studied the sin sacrifice in Moses law ? And it’s two functions ?
