Steven Furtick

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Jesusfollower

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Does anyone know what's up with Steven Furtick? I was wondering if his denomination gave him a Vibram sole Boot to the back end or not. The reasons are that he became a Modalist or Oneness preacher. A denial of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit; three distinct Persons, One God. I John 5:7
Instead they believe that God manifest Himself in three different modes either as Father Or as Son or as Holy Spirit at different given times. All due kindness to my Apostolic neighbors, that's not Baptist doctrine. Why not transfer his membership to the Apostolic denomination?
They probably wouldn't want him.

Some sites say that he's a Southern Baptist convention member, so perhaps they wanted his churches $ and kept it on board?

Oh BTW, he also thinks that he is God!

Steven Furball proclaims he's God Almighty.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/15false/Steven_Furtick_Blasphemy_I_Am_God_Almighty.mp4

Furtick's view on the Trinity

https://www.christianheadlines.com/...ying-the-traditional-view-of-the-trinity.html
why do you bring this post up? another false preacher teacher?
 

shittim

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I am not a follower of any youtube preacher. Nor do I spend my time seeking out those mentioned. If any of them have repented for what they believe they did, then All Glory to God. I rejoice with them.
I am not a "follower" of any preacher anywhere, Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
 

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So Todd White's been preaching a false gospel for 16 years and now were supposed to listen to him because he says he's now telling us the truth. C'mon.
 

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I personally would never say: "I am God almighty!" I don't care what supposed "true" meaning is behind it that makes it "okay." And in front of a listening audience? This is the kind of thing I said when I was in rebellion against God.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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So Todd White's been preaching a false gospel for 16 years and now were supposed to listen to him because he says he's now telling us the truth. C'mon.
I'm not trying to alienate myself from everyone who has a favorite TV preacher. I've just never been a fan of TV preachers though. I listen to their salvation requirements to test those spirits.
But IF he really rejected his works based salvation and put all of his trust in Christ, then that puts him in the position of a newborn babe. There's a Lot of growing under a good pastor before he can provide meat of the word to a congregation.
I hope he got saved and does what the woman at the well did after meeting Jesus. It's very rare that a preacher of any false gospel changes his mind, but I think it occasionally happens. Nicodemus might have.

🗣️ Did Todd White get saved?
"Is there a witness-ah!?"
 

ResidentAlien

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I'm not trying to alienate myself from everyone who has a favorite TV preacher. I've just never been a fan of TV preachers though. I listen to their salvation requirements to test those spirits.
But IF he really rejected his works based salvation and put all of his trust in Christ, then that puts him in the position of a newborn babe. There's a Lot of growing under a good pastor before he can provide meat of the word to a congregation.
I hope he got saved and does what the woman at the well did after meeting Jesus. It's very rare that a preacher of any false gospel changes his mind, but I think it occasionally happens. Nicodemus might have.

Did Todd White get saved?
"Is there a witness-ah!?"
I'd like it if he quit his con artist ways and truly repented. There's one thing all con artists have in common: they have no integrity. They tumble with whichever way the wind blows, so long as it benefits them. The last I heard White was in financial trouble and this may have something to do with his "change of heart." I'll have to do some research tomorrow when I have more time.

Todd White
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I'd like it if he quit his con artist ways and truly repented. There's one thing all con artists have in common: they have no integrity. They tumble with whichever way the wind blows, so long as it benefits them. The last I heard White was in financial trouble and this may have something to do with his "change of heart." I'll have to do some research tomorrow when I have more time.

Todd White
No hurries. I'm just curious. I really hope he got saved and leads others to the Lord.
 
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I'm not trying to alienate myself from everyone who has a favorite TV preacher. I've just never been a fan of TV preachers though. I listen to their salvation requirements to test those spirits.
But IF he really rejected his works based salvation and put all of his trust in Christ, then that puts him in the position of a newborn babe. There's a Lot of growing under a good pastor before he can provide meat of the word to a congregation.
I hope he got saved and does what the woman at the well did after meeting Jesus. It's very rare that a preacher of any false gospel changes his mind, but I think it occasionally happens. Nicodemus might have.

🗣️ Did Todd White get saved?
"Is there a witness-ah!?"
Yes! 😉 The only one that truly knows one way or the other.

‘Pastor’ Todd White Ministry Merges to Form New Church 2021
 
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I was reminded what he said when I saw this ..
Dollar makes my skin crawl.
Beware a preacher whose name amounts to 🤑 money.

BSB Version]
John 10:31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” 33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?


Psalm 82:6
I have said, ‘You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
 
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The full sermon is better than excerpts I think .


In fairness he was using what seems to be first person reference but was actually communicating the congregants are to see the holy spirit is in ''me'', that individual listening to the sermon.

All things in creation are of and from God. God made all things from 'himself' even though we objectify God as a gender being God is a Holy Spirit. The source for all in creation.

There is nothing made that is not of God. Even us.

So if he says he is God it is in the context of creation,created,creator. That is the Trinity of God's work.
Every atom in us is of God.

Job 12
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John 10:31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” 33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?


Psalm 82:6
I have said, ‘You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
 

Nehemiah6

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I dont watch any of the mega churches on you tube. I used to and liked them at one stage but then I realised it was a business and the pastor/preacher was treated like a celebrity.
TV could have been used to do much good and bring many souls to Christ. But the majority of TV preachers perverted this medium and their ministries. I simply ignore all of them, and each one will give account. Not a single preacher anywhere at any time should have been asking for money. That in itself would have made a huge impact.
 

shittim

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Very early in the TV age Edward R Murrow had discussion with the heads of CBS on the use of the new technology, he felt it should be used to educate and enlighten, the CBS execs thought it should be used to entertain, and now it appears to be used to dull, propagandize and misinform.
 
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Very early in the TV age Edward R Murrow had discussion with the heads of CBS on the use of the new technology, he felt it should be used to educate and enlighten, the CBS execs thought it should be used to entertain, and now it appears to be used to dull, propagandize and misinform.
[Warning: those who make fun of or are opposed to wall text are gonna hate this. 😆 Though you may be inspired to think.🧠]
''A nation of sheep shall beget a government of wolves.'' Edward R.Murrow

With the invention of 📺 television, we have been systematically dumbed down.
Especially obvious is the contemporary programming. Everything from fake reality TV shows to commercials.

Combine that with the substandard public government controlled school curriculum, wherein today's children don't even rank in the world's top 20 per standardized testing, and we are indeed a nation of sheep.
Segregation wasn't abolished to make people equal and better the American population and future.

It was done to launch the segregation of the entire population ofuture and cultureraces. Only the parameters were class structure not race.

We didn't notice at the time of it happening. Private schools were exempt from integration.

When the integration programs for the public servants went into effect the black community of students weren't tutored to bring their scholastic percentile in line with the whites higher achievement scores. This in order to better their future of the students and the culture.

Rather the public programs were downgraded in order to allow the black students to proceed without being over extended by a curriculum outside the parameters of their prior standardized testing and perceived abilities. Now, government made us all slaves. In the mind.

Couple educating the future generations on a substandard scale compared to the rest of the worlds primary education programs with an egress into higher education centers, largely now liberal indoctrination centers even more so than public centers, and you have a nation in majority of useful idiots.

Interject a generation or so later censorship of mind and speech with the invention of the stricture of 'Political Correctness'.
Because limiting free speaking within artificial perimeters denoting that which is politically acceptable in a diverse population, to that deemed politically incorrect and forbidden and you also by execution control thought.

Because we think before we speak. If it is forbidden to say something, prosecution of that rule at work in public, etc... will eventually morph organically into curbing our free thought to avoid the discipline that ensued against our speech.

Thought reeducation programs ensue in order to ''assure compliance'' to the new order.
'Gender Sensitivity Training' courses. ''Diversity and Inclusion'' courses'', etc...
Comply! Or get fired.


A job application once asked, is it OK to ever touch a co-worker?

If you wanted the job the answer was no.
If your coworker's mom died, better not touch their shoulder in a show of compassion or empathy.
Zero toletance policy for violating that rule against touching.

🤔What if their heart stops on the job? Am I fired after performing life saving CPR till the paramedic's arrive?


Couple all this new order of programming over these generations with NWO Bible versions , being Christian is the foremost populace faith in America and the world, wherein we are told God said we are to obey the Emperor , obey and subject ourselves to government authorities because those are put in power over us by God, and the sheep herd in America is complete.

If we're to obey those authorities put in power over us because it's God's will they're there, we're going to be hard pressed to make a choice should the antichrist show up.

Obey! God? And those put in power over us?

Because all in authority are established by God?

🤔📺🐑🐏
 

oyster67

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Instead they believe that God manifest Himself in three different modes either as Father Or as Son or as Holy Spirit at different given times.
Must have been confused when they read about Jesus talking to His Father in heaven whilst Jesus was here on earth.

Also:

Luke 9:35
“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.”

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HealthAndHappiness

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Must have been confused when they read about Jesus talking to His Father in heaven whilst Jesus was here on earth.

Also:

Luke 9:35


“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.”

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YES, and the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove.

I ran into a oneness preacher in the parking lot who was giving one of the kids a hard time about believing in the Trinity.
I brought that passage up to him,
What do you do with that? I asked.

Long pause.......he was stumped.

I asked, Do you think Jesus was doing ventriloquism?
He finally said yes, he was being a ventriloquist!

I kid you not.
 
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YES, and the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove.

I ran into a oneness preacher in the parking lot who was giving one of the kids a hard time about believing in the Trinity.
I brought that passage up to him,
What do you do with that? I asked.

Long pause.......he was stumped.

I asked, Do you think Jesus was doing ventriloquism?
He finally said yes, he was being a ventriloquist!

I kid you not.
That joker wasn't a preacher. He was a con man looking for handouts on the spot.

God must have been confused when speaking of himself as the one and only God and saying besides him there is no savior.
 
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Must have been confused when they read about Jesus talking to His Father in heaven whilst Jesus was here on earth.

Also:

Luke 9:35
“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.”

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which makes John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works. even more dynamic.

The Father is in Heaven while DWELLING inside the physical body of Jesus and Jesus tells us the Father is doing this [[((The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works))]]

does that mean when Jesus prayed to the Father it was the Father, who was The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works ...praying to Himself and using Jesus as an example for us to pray to the Father?


even when Jesus cast out the DEMON the pharisees said Jesus did it by Satan, Jesus said by the Holy Spirit and the Pharisees were in danger of Blasphemy.


so just maybe Furtick and TD Jakes is thinking like these Verses read and making their conclusions.

one never knows.

but it is different to hear what they are saying!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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That joker wasn't a preacher. He was a con man looking for handouts on the spot.

God must have been confused when speaking of himself as the one and only God and saying besides him there is no savior.
He was a false one.
Works salvation instead of grace.
Apparently he had preached at the nursing home for a while. It was after a volunteer banquet. The program director handed him a certificate of appreciation as she said that Brother John is the one minister that she doesn't agree with much. Lol! 😄

Isaiah 44:8Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
 
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which makes John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works. even more dynamic.

The Father is in Heaven while DWELLING inside the physical body of Jesus and Jesus tells us the Father is doing this [[((The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works))]]

does that mean when Jesus prayed to the Father it was the Father, who was The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own; but the Father dwelling in Me does His works ...praying to Himself and using Jesus as an example for us to pray to the Father?


even when Jesus cast out the DEMON the pharisees said Jesus did it by Satan, Jesus said by the Holy Spirit and the Pharisees were in danger of Blasphemy.


so just maybe Furtick and TD Jakes is thinking like these Verses read and making their conclusions.

one never knows.

but it is different to hear what they are saying!
That's it. 😊

I've met Christians who insist Jesus was not God,The Word, made flesh. They ask, was Jesus talking to himself when he prayed?
They excise parts of scripture so it comports with what they prefer to accept. Why?

Some I know tell me they can't believe God is 'like that'.
Whatever that part they don't accept and delete from their belief set.

Others I've met, and some of these folks are of that other set too, insist Jesus was a man. And is now flesh and blood sitting at the right hand of the father in Heaven.

No kidding there either.

They excised that scripture that tells everyone else the perishable flesh cannot inherit or enter what is imperishable.

They also excise that part of the OT that tells them when we die the body returns to the dust from which it sprang, and the soul to the Father who gave it.

People.

We're always ego driven aren't we?
Maybe that's why we Christians are convinced of all created humans that source in all that exists only loves those who love 'him'.
We even objectify the holy spirit. He's male!
😳


Maybe God created us in order to keep him amused. What Ego's.

After all, a platypus can only make you grin for so long. 😉