Steven Anderson is wrong - Sodomites can still be saved.

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justbyfaith

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If he did not he would have suffered death.

he had a choice of live or die.
God did not threaten to kill him.

Of course God raised him out of the whale's belly when he submitted in his heart to God. But he had the choice not to submit to God in his heart. And yes, he would have died in the whale's belly.

But God did not ever take away his capacity for free will. He could have chosen to die in the whale's belly.
 

justbyfaith

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Lil.

dude, How can I take you seriously When you make comments like this?

Mormons actually wrote a book using KJV old English language and claim that they got it from an ancient Egyptian language. Not from the greek or hebrew.
This is where your doctrine, that the scriptures are correct only insofar as they are correctly translated, comes from...mormonism.

I bet you didn't know that.
 
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God did not threaten to kill him.

Of course God raised him out of the whale's belly when he submitted in his heart to God. But he had the choice not to submit to God in his heart. And yes, he would have died in the whale's belly.

But God did not ever take away his capacity for free will. He could have chosen to die in the whale's belly.
Um, if he did not repent. He would have died in that great fish.

Come on man, again, how can I take you seriously?
 

justbyfaith

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What practices?

I am talking about believers who accidentally got bitten by a snake and ended up dying from the poison of the snakes.

I suggest you stop trying to figure out what you think I am saying and just listen to me..
I am talking about the practices in churches where they tested whether or not you are a believer by whether or not you died when you are bitten by a poisonous serpent.

And the people you are talking about may not have been genuine believers.

Or, it is possible that Mark 16:18 is a general rule and doesn't go across the board.

Btw, the verse in question doesn't say that people will be bitten by serpents and then survive.
 
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This is where your doctrine, that the scriptures are correct only insofar as they are correctly translated, comes from...mormonism.

I bet you didn't know that.
Thats funny. The catholics have been using that excuse far longer than the Mormons..

Face it, Your backed to a wall so you have to start attacking. I suggest you just stop. your hurting yourself
 

justbyfaith

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Um, if he did not repent. He would have died in that great fish.

Come on man, again, how can I take you seriously?
So, you're saying that God took away Jonah's capacity for free will?

He could have chosen to die in the whale's belly, if he had been adamant about not preaching to Nineveh.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am talking about the practices in churches where they tested whether or not you are a believer by whether or not you died when you are bitten by a poisonous serpent.

And the people you are talking about may not have been genuine believers.

Or, it is possible that Mark 16:18 is a general rule and doesn't go across the board.

Btw, the verse in question doesn't say that people will be bitten by serpents and then survive.
I am not and never have talked about those practices. So why would you even bring them up

Mark 16 says plainly, this will be the sign, they will drink poison and not die.

Thats not a generalization man.
 
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So, you're saying that God took away Jonah's capacity for free will?

He could have chosen to die in the whale's belly, if he had been adamant about not preaching to Nineveh.
Yeah he could have.

Thats how God grows us.. He puts road blocks in our way and chastens us when we do not walk his way. That how he instructs us.

I did nothing but just follow him

I get no credit
 

justbyfaith

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Thats funny. The catholics have been using that excuse far longer than the Mormons..

Face it, Your backed to a wall so you have to start attacking. I suggest you just stop. your hurting yourself
It is still a primary doctrine that is taught by the mormons.

And I am not attacking you in saying that.

I am saying that the whole idea is faulty.

Consider the sources.

Catholics aren't on the up and up, either.
 

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Amen.

Any sinner can be saved. Even Sodomites (Homosexuals and Lesbians). If they will simply believe the Gospel of The Death, Burial and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, trusting alone in that Finished Work of His, as the only sufficient payment for their sins. I saw Aden Rusfeldt recently tell a group of Sodomites on a campus somewhere, that they could not be saved. Basically he was telling them that there is no hope for them. And then in another video, I heard another preacher in his group, telling Sodomites at a pride event "I would not even share my testimony with you." Well, of course, he wouldn't. Why would he? he doesn't think that they can be saved anyway. Which also brings up another question to my mind, why are they even out there preaching to them? I am mean If God cannot save them, According to their reprobate heresy, well then aren't they wasting their time??? Oh but they will go out there just to call them names and to rail on them.

Well, he, like Steven Anderson, is also wrong. That's Heresy. Once again, this kind of thinking of theirs, comes from that "reprobate doctrine." If Sodomites cannot be saved, then neither can those other sinners be saved in that list of Romans 1 (i.e. backbiters, whisperers, covetous, fornicators, boasters, inventors of evil things, murderers, disobedient to parent's, etc.) The truth is, that whole group of Gentiles mentioned in Romans 1, had been given over to a reprobate mind and not just the Sodomites (Homosexuals and Lesbians). What is a reprobate mind? Simply put, it is a mind that is inverted. Any wicked person that is depraved has a reprobate mind at that present time. Which would explain why their conduct is as wicked as it is. But even a Reprobate can still be saved, if he will repent (change his mind about God and about himself) and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Writing about our depth of sin seems useless. It serves no purpose. It is clear from the Bible that the path to forgiveness is preceded by repentance. I had no religious education before I was 27 years old. Even after being "saved", my first Pastor seemed to demand continued self flagellation. How can they say they are of Christ but then seem to demand continued self condemnation?
 

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I am not and never have talked about those practices. So why would you even bring them up

Mark 16 says plainly, this will be the sign, they will drink poison and not die.

Thats not a generalization man.
But it doesn't apply it to being bitten by snakes, so your argument falls apart.
 

justbyfaith

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Yeah he could have.

Thats how God grows us.. He puts road blocks in our way and chastens us when we do not walk his way. That how he instructs us.

I did nothing but just follow him

I get no credit
No; God does not take away anyone's free will.
 

justbyfaith

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I am not and never have talked about those practices. So why would you even bring them up

Mark 16 says plainly, this will be the sign, they will drink poison and not die.

Thats not a generalization man.
Also, scripture interprets scripture.

If I drank poison hoping that I would survive in order to prove that I am a true believer, that is tempting the Lord.
 
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Also, scripture interprets scripture.

If I drank poison hoping that I would survive in order to prove that I am a true believer, that is tempting the Lord.
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOPING ANYTHING

Dude, I can;t do this anymore. Good day.
 

justbyfaith

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Yeah he could have.

Thats how God grows us.. He puts road blocks in our way and chastens us when we do not walk his way. That how he instructs us.

I did nothing but just follow him

I get no credit
This "I get no credit" thing, is an attempt by Calvinism to gain the higher moral ground.

The fact of the matter is, that He gives the power to become the sons of God to those who receive Him, even to them who believe on His name.
 

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I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOPING ANYTHING

Dude, I can;t do this anymore. Good day.
Luk 21:15, For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Act 6:10, And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
 

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I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOPING ANYTHING

Dude, I can;t do this anymore. Good day.
My point is that certain people who have taken up poisonous snakes, may have not been believers, or they may have been tempting the Lord; or they may have died from the poison for any number of reasons.

The latter example shows that the promise (of Mark 16:18) may not be given to every believer. If the believer is tempting the Lord, he may very well die from the poison.
 

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And another point is that the promise is that they will take up serpents; not that they will be bitten by them and not die.

The promise concerning poison is to those who drink it.

James 3:7 perfectly complements Acts 16:18, therefore.