So if I say something to the point it is a cheap shot, but if you do it, it is acid humor, and of course you believe humor has its place in discussing the Word of Yahweh. It is always good to be of good cheer, but this does not mean we are to convert sober discussion of God's message to us all into SNL.
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You are deliberately ignoring the reference to what was declared an invention of man, angelic tongues. I knew from the git go the understanding. I do not sense any of the love of Yahweh in most of the posts against God's power here, but I do sense a lot of deception. Do not tell people what they have understood when they are giving a direct response to a post that is clear and concise, that is a perversion.
Irrationality is spirituality. I smell judeomasonicbolshevik influence here. 
nice and tidy.
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THE HEBREW MOVEMENT
Open Church Ministries
Dean Cozzens
Colorado Springs
December 3, 1997
God’s goal for the Body of Christ is to move closer toward Himself, so that we might become one with Him. We need to become more like Him, that we might be more prepared to be with Him. If we are to be His people, we must assume His character, and take on His identity. We are to be His people, living in His ways.
On Sunday morning, April 13, 1986, I heard the following prophecy:
At the beginning of the twentieth century, when God looked down from heaven at the church, what He saw looked like a giant 747 airliner, but with no engines.
He then set out to attach four giant engines of faith and power to the body of the plane, so that the church would have the power to come to Him where He is, up in the realms of glory.
Each of these four engines represents one of the four major moves of God’s Spirit ordained for this century: 1) The Pentecostal Movement, 2) The Faith-Healing Movement, 3) The Charismatic Movement, and 4) The Hebrew Movement. All four are sovereignly ordained of God and coordinate and interrelate in His mind. Each successive move builds upon the last, but each has its own distinctives. None are perfect, but they all have something from God to contribute to His plan. The prophecy said that God was now beginning to attach the fourth and final "engine" --the Hebrew Movement.
Though many of the right doctrines have been in place in the Body of Christ, from all the past moves of God’s restoration through history, much is still missing, which God wants to restore.
This fourth movement is to be called "The Hebrew Movement." This movement will to some degree encompass and influence the entire body of Christ, adding depth, and leading us into greater unity at last, not just with one another, but with God and with His Word.
This fourth major move of the Holy Spirit in this century will be every bit as powerful as the previous three, and will bring this final work of God to completion in a final, unified, four-fold thrust of power and glory; it will take us all into the heavenlies to be with Him where He is.
The three previous engines of His power, which he has previously attached in His divine order, until now He has been only gently "revving" as if just testing them awaiting a more opportune time. When the plane is more properly aligned, down the centerline of His will, He can then give full throttle to take us all to glory and thus display Himself and His approval most fully among us.
What has come before may one day look very minor in comparison to what will occur on the earth when all four engines are finally given full throttle by His wonderful hand of command. When this happens, our great ship will quickly lumber down the runway and off to glory. On that great day, once the command to go is given, there will be no letting up until we finally leave these bonds of carnal flesh. Then God’s Awesome power will fill us all with the same awesome glory which is His eternally wonderful presence. On that great day, every gift of the Spirit will be operating in great release, and the Lord will be revealed in all of His fullness. We will then be like Him, full of His power and glory, for we shall see Him as He truly is, unveiled for all to see. Oh what wonder and majesty that will be!
But before the plane can be given full throttle, it must first make a critical turn in its thinking to line itself up with God’s holy runway. The critical turn in thinking is the shift away from the Greek corruptions of the past and back toward the centerline of the God-ordained Hebrew runway, down which Jesus Himself came and landed perfectly. Jesus Himself was the airship, and the terminal where He had been loading since His first coming has been the world into which He has come.
The runway then was all the revelation of God Himself had been preparing for centuries before the coming of Christ. This revelation then, through prophets of old, from Adam through Malachi, was the runway. There it had been, for hundreds of years, and through several generations, carefully laid down, by God in preparation for the coming of His only Son to planet earth. It had been readied by the Father, for Jesus to land on, for as it says, "in the fullness of time" God sent forth His Son. The runway then is all the Old Testament, i.e. all of the Old Testament Hebrew truth and revelation, and much of the Hebrew culture and custom that came with it.
Since then, His great body has been parked at the terminal of the world loading with passengers to go at His prompting, back to glory. It is even now nearly full, and is filling rapidly. It is nearly ready to depart. When that great door finally closes, and the plane pulls away, Jesus the pilot will rev those engines to get us from the terminal to the runway’s edge, where we will sit, with engines idling, giving Him time to test the controls, and to make sure that all is ready.
Then Jesus, smiling I’m sure, when He is ready, and with the clearance from God the Father in the control tower, will release the brakes, and rev the engines once more. This time, all four engines will surge to life and contribute their parts, all in unison. This will move the ship out onto the runway with ease.
Then, before the plane goes too far ahead, and at just the right time, Jesus will turn the ship the 90 degrees that is needed to aim us directly down the runway! Then we will be ready to go! Then and only then will conditions be right for full power. That point will be when our ship is directly in line with all that God has laid down before us, in the Hebrew Bible that we call the Old Testament.
The point is, that before all four engines can safely be powered up to their maximum to lift us up into Christ’s presence, we must more perfectly align ourselves with the God of the Bible, with Who God really is! Since God revealed Himself through the Old Testament, which Jesus perfectly fleshed out for us to see in visible form, that’s where we’ll have to look, and that’s what the Hebrew Movement is all about.
Where are we now? My personal opinion is that in church history at this point, we’ve managed to get taxied back out to the runway. I think that our plane has taxied about as far as it can on the taxiway of Greek thinking. If we go much further, we’ll run off the other side of the runway into the ditch.
I believe that right now, God is saying, "Turn and align your thinking more perfectly down My revealed runway of Hebrew thought, the thoughts I revealed through the Hebrew people, and let’s get ready to go to Glory!" We must meet God on His terms, not ours.
We’ll leave on the same runway Jesus landed on--Old Testament Hebrew revelations and prophecies, and Hebrew ways of thinking and living. That’s who God revealed Himself to be, and Who Jesus also showed Himself to be when He lived here on this planet in the flesh.
Many errors were incorporated into the early church in order to please and accommodate the Greek culture, and to escape anti-Hebrew persecutions from the Romans. these early corruptions are what we mean by the Hebrew-to-Greek shift. The correction of this past mistake is the turning of that great airliner in what is called the Greek-to-Hebrew shift, or the Hebrew Movement. It is what God now expects from us before He more fully empowers us, and thrusts us into His glory. It’s what we need to do to make Him more comfortable about openly identified Himself with us in His full approval of glory and power.
Perhaps this is what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5 when He said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill [to bring fuller expression and clarity]. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:17-20.
It’s almost as if Jesus were predicting, though certainly not approving what eventually did happen in the church when it left its Hebrew roots. He may have even been predicting the very Hebrew movement which will now wrap up the church age. This verse says that unless we connect the move of the Spirit which Jesus brought, with the Hebrew which He Himself was walking in, then we as the church, and as individuals will not be ready for lift-off into the kingdom of heaven. We have to align with Him.
The church has now come full circle. All that has gone before, from the Reformation until this very minute, has been God’s cautious and persistent work to get us back to the fuller understanding of Who Jesus was. It is now time for the fuller revelation of Who God and Jesus really are. He is saying "I want you connected to the Old Testament root, but in fulness and the power of the Holy Spirit, so that you can keep the Law as I kept it, in the same Spirit in which it was given, in redemptive love and power." We must move back to the centerline of God’s truth, but with the power of the Holy Spirit.
Dean Cozzens
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1) The Pentecostal Movement
2) The Faith-Healing Movement
3) The Charismatic Movement
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4) The Hebrew Movement
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In a joint presentation to Messiah '99, MJAA President Rabbi Robert Cohen and Rick Joyner of MorningStar Ministries laid out a prophetic vision for the Messianic Jewish Movement. Highlights of the Prophecies given by Rick Joyner and Rabbi Cohen are as follows:
The 1970s, when Jerusalem returned to Jewish hands, was the end of the Gentile Age.
The 1990s are moving on the spirit of revival that began with the Jesus Movement, which was the source of the Messianic movement.
The Messianic people are a prophetic righteous remnant, "that are calling the Church back to their Jewish roots" and "they are back to become a prophetic call to the nation of Israel."
Messianic people are, "THE HEAD," meaning, of the Body of Christ and the First Fruits.
Whole communities will come to Y’eshua because of their witness.
Jews and Gentiles will be looking to the Messianics to explain the Word of God.
Joyner expressed a concern that Messianics: ". . .would not be corrupted by too many relationships with the Church" and that they are not supposed to be like the Church nor the Church like them as that would, "mess everything up."
Racism is one of the ultimate enemies.
There is a revolution going on in the Church.
Reconciliation happens when there is restitution, and there’s going to be a lot of restitution for the Messianic people as Jews.
Messianic people will have a better ability to witness, heal, discern and utilize spiritual gifts than others.
Messianics are going to help us (the Church) restore our foundations to where they belong -- and we won’t get where we’re supposed to be without their help.
Joint Prophecies of Rick Joyner & Rabbi Cohen
at Messiah'99
seekgod.ca
You have the presence of mind to say "Harsh accusation?" Thank you. Love is not alway saying yes, and it is never yeilding to half truths. You are accusing me. The Scripture I have posted has been posted with understanding. I could have posted less, as so many do to justify a misguided idea, but I try to include before and after. You are very clever with your retort, but obviously you do not understand what was being conveyed.
is contrasted directly with edification of the church.[/QUOTE]
The gifts will cease come the new age, when what is now called time will cease. I have posted on this before.[/quote]
Doesn't mean you are correct. Joel speaks of a latter rain in which the sign gifts to Israel will return. Implication that there will be period between the former and latter rain. Church age perhaps?
Prophecies in the sense of future predictions because the apostolic necessity has ended.
Tongues will cease when that which is perfect is come. 1 Cor 13:8
Scripture does not say healing will cease. Problem is not with healing but with healers.
Hardly worthy of comment.
You assume this because it does not agree with your teaching?
I know who is the father of the lie.
Opinion not supported with any evidence.
No more valid the second time you say it than the first
Care to elaborate on Isa 28:11-12 and Deut 28:49?
For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE]
is contrasted directly with edification of the church.[/QUOTE]
The gifts will cease come the new age, when what is now called time will cease. I have posted on this before.[/quote]
Doesn't mean you are correct. Joel speaks of a latter rain in which the sign gifts to Israel will return. Implication that there will be period between the former and latter rain. Church age perhaps?
Prophecies in the sense of future predictions because the apostolic necessity has ended.
Tongues will cease when that which is perfect is come. 1 Cor 13:8
Scripture does not say healing will cease. Problem is not with healing but with healers.
Hardly worthy of comment.
You assume this because it does not agree with your teaching?
I know who is the father of the lie.
Opinion not supported with any evidence.
No more valid the second time you say it than the first
Care to elaborate on Isa 28:11-12 and Deut 28:49?
For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE]
Jamie,
It appears to me I know where this is going. Instead of addressing the questions and concerns,and addressing them it appears that you would rather bloviate and prefer to use rhetoric and hyperbole to address this issue. I am more then willing to learn but show me how we truly know this is from God and how do we tell the difference. And if you can not then please just say so.
It appears to me I know where this is going. Instead of addressing the questions and concerns,and addressing them it appears that you would rather bloviate and prefer to use rhetoric and hyperbole to address this issue. I am more then willing to learn but show me how we truly know this is from God and how do we tell the difference. And if you can not then please just say so.
I belong to no theology, but at the same time I do not ridicule that of others, though I will discuss them if prompted. What does the beliefs of others have to do with what you believe or what I believe. All you do when you post your cute videos and the like is ridicule what you do not like, this is not diginified before the Lord. You are Lutheran, according to what you put up, others do not do this to you. Too many easy shots as you would say, no meat of the Word.
You really should try to read the Word, believe it and worship God, amen.
You really should try to read the Word, believe it and worship God, amen.
Zephaniah 3:9
"Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
The pure language, שפה ברורה saphah berurah, may here mean the form of religious worship. They had been before idolaters: now God promises to restore his pure worship among them. The word has certainly this meaning in Psalm 81:6; where, as God is the speaker, the words should not be rendered, "I heard a language which I understood not," but, "I heard a religious confession, which I approved not." See Isaiah 19:18; Hosea 14:3; and see Joel 2:28, where a similar promise is found.
Clarke
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God turns to the nations a pure lip, by purifying their sinful lips, i.e., He converts them, that they may be able to call upon Him with pure lips. Lip does not stand for language, but is mentioned as the organ of speech, by which a man expresses the thoughts of his heart, so that purity of the lips involves or presupposes the purification of the heart. The lips are defiled by the names of the idols whom they have invoked (cf. Hosea 2:19; Psalm 16:4).
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
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3:9 A pure language - I will give them a pure way of worshipping me, the issue of a pure heart.
Wesley
"Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
The pure language, שפה ברורה saphah berurah, may here mean the form of religious worship. They had been before idolaters: now God promises to restore his pure worship among them. The word has certainly this meaning in Psalm 81:6; where, as God is the speaker, the words should not be rendered, "I heard a language which I understood not," but, "I heard a religious confession, which I approved not." See Isaiah 19:18; Hosea 14:3; and see Joel 2:28, where a similar promise is found.
Clarke
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God turns to the nations a pure lip, by purifying their sinful lips, i.e., He converts them, that they may be able to call upon Him with pure lips. Lip does not stand for language, but is mentioned as the organ of speech, by which a man expresses the thoughts of his heart, so that purity of the lips involves or presupposes the purification of the heart. The lips are defiled by the names of the idols whom they have invoked (cf. Hosea 2:19; Psalm 16:4).
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
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3:9 A pure language - I will give them a pure way of worshipping me, the issue of a pure heart.
Wesley
that's not my "cute" video.
i posted no ridicule.
do you want me to accept that as the GLORY God poured out at Pentecost?
what DIGNITY are you talking about?
you're apparently the one who won't read the word and accept it.
let's go back to not having discussion jack - you're unwilling to address that matter without being double-minded.
i posted no ridicule.
do you want me to accept that as the GLORY God poured out at Pentecost?
what DIGNITY are you talking about?
you're apparently the one who won't read the word and accept it.
let's go back to not having discussion jack - you're unwilling to address that matter without being double-minded.
Welcome, Cee! I've enjoyed your posting. Keep up the good work. Also, please understand that as you're witnessing for the Lord you will encounter flak in here. Don't worry about them. Don't let them get on your nerves. Like you said, those without love are nothing. Don't let them run you off. I would much rather have someone in here that can talk with the love of God instead of someone always trying to play mind games and ignore true Scripture. I'm sure there are others that are glad you're here as well.
Not surprised,it's nothing new,if I learned one thing a long time ago most people don't like my questions. (Sorry God did wire me this way,to ask questions that most never will ask themselves) And it always seems like they reach a point where they either can not answer them,they resort to this type of thing. All I want to know is How do we know this is from God and How do you know what you are truly saying? I guess no one who believes that God is still doing this can tell me. All I want to know is the truth of it and if it is NOT from God it must be rejected.