Speaking in tongues

[Dino246]

That's not what I am asserting. What I am saying is tongues which is simply the "word of God" called "prophecy" was spoken in many languages other than Hebrew alone as a sign to confirm those who refuse to believe God's word. but rather chase after the oral traditions of men. They hear it but no do not exercise the faith that comes by hearing the voice of God called prophecy.. " yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord."

Hmm... now, how is that different from "Speaking in tongues was only a sign to rebellious Jews"? The Jews spoke Hebrew; no other nation did. Those who refuse to believe God's word are... rebellious.

What I stated is exactly what you believe, according to your own posts.

 

[CS1]

Jesus raised the dead. If you want to do more than He did as per that promise, go raise the dead and more, don't restrict yourself to meaningless words (tongues), anyone can do that.

raising the dead God has raised the dead with and used me to do it. I have seen the Lord Jesus Christ raise ioo's from the death through salvation.

 

[CS1]

Jesus raised the dead. If you want to do more than He did as per that promise, go raise the dead and more, don't restrict yourself to meaningless words (tongues), anyone can do that.

the doing more is leading the unsaved to Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit has enable me to do that for His Glory. I have seen many saved from the preaching of the word the Lord God has given me, I seen many miracles. too. how many have you led to Christ how many sick have you prayed for? I do not restrict myself Because I do not restrict the Holy Spirt as you do.

 

[Noose]

the doing more is leading the unsaved to Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit has enable me to do that for His Glory. I have seen many saved from the preaching of the word the Lord God has given me, I seen many miracles. too. how many have you led to Christ how many sick have you prayed for? I do not restrict myself Because I do not restrict the Holy Spirt as you do.

It is about works:

John 14: 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.

12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask Mec anything in My name, I will do it.

The works that brings people to salvation among them is raising people from the dead.
It is not happening today, why?

 

[Dino246]

... raising people from the dead. It is not happening today, why?

Prove it's not happening. Then we'll discuss why.

 

[Noose]

Prove it's not happening. Then we'll discuss why.

Just go to a morgue near you.

 

[CS1]

It is about works:

John 14: 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.

12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask Mec anything in My name, I will do it.

The works that brings people to salvation among them is raising people from the dead.
It is not happening today, why?

what is the greater work? we have the ability to Proclaim the Gospel message as Paul said in Romans " I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the POWER OF GOD for Salvation. "

 

[Dino246]

Just go to a morgue near you.

Fallacy: burden of proof reversal.

 

[Noose]

what is the greater work? we have the ability to Proclaim the Gospel message as Paul said in Romans " I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the POWER OF GOD for Salvation. "

Jesus was talking about works not work, and the works He was talking about was not preaching the gospel for no one can preach a greater gospel than Jesus, He is the gospel.

 

[Noose]

Fallacy: burden of proof reversal.

I know and it doesn't bother me.
Fact, no one raises the dead today like it was done in the 1st century.

 

[Dino246]

I know and it doesn't bother me.
Fact, no one raises the dead today like it was done in the 1st century.

You're welcome to your closed-mindedness.

 

[yellowcanary]

Cornelius' household speaking in tongues served as a sign to all that the gentiles now also had access to God's grace in Jesus Christ. This was a new thing to the Jews of that time ... and was the fulfillment of the mystery of Christ's gospel. None were left to doubt upon witnessing it and it still served as a sign, which was it's purpose.

 

[notuptome]

Hmm so when Jesus said "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12 Jesu was not meaning what HE said?

When Jesus said In Matthew 28: 19-20

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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

He did not mean that ?

When Jesus said in Mark 16:15- 18

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Jesus did not mean that?

Do you even know what the context of the word Salvation
"sōtēria"
deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation


or Saved means?

sōzō
save, heal, and deliver. Did you read what Jesus said in Luke 4 :18

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

But you say Miracles are not part of the Gospel. FYI Salvation is a miracle. what prideful comments you continue to make while ill-informed .

In it's correct context it is clear that we who believe on Christ are not now nor will we ever be greater than Christ Himself. You quote scripture without respect to its meaning in it's context. You assume that the works to which Christ speaks are works that you are to do.

Jesus is declaring His deity in John 14, verse 11 makes that clear.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[presidente]

Those verses are for today and not the past because they are about end of age.
The promise about sending prophets and wise men was before this:

Heb 1:1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,and through whom He made the universe

This is a 'lesser to greater argument', not an indication that there would be no more prophets. There were prophets when this was written. Read Acts, the epistles, and the book of Revelation. Silas, Paul's partner in ministry, was a prophet.

 

[presidente]

In it's correct context it is clear that we who believe on Christ are not now nor will we ever be greater than Christ Himself. You quote scripture without respect to its meaning in it's context. You assume that the works to which Christ speaks are works that you are to do.

Jesus is declaring His deity in John 14, verse 11 makes that clear.

Jesus spoke of 'he that believeth in' Him doing greater works, not being greater.

 

[Waggles]

Fact, no one raises the dead today like it was done in the 1st century.

We do in The Revival fellowship.

 

[presidente]

Again, you got it wrong. Jesus said they sought Him not because they saw the miracles, but because they ate of the loaves and were filled. It is right there in the passage.

Hello that was the miracle.

[/quote]

So do you think Jesus was wrong, then, to say '...ye seek Me not because ye saw the miracle...'? The people's motivation was not to see Jesus because He was a miracle-worker, but because He had filled their bellies. They wanted food. They asked him for bread from heaven as was given in the time of Moses. He pointed them toward something more spiritual.

Today it is. Miracles detract form the preaching of the gospel.

Show me this in the Bible. You are obvious just saying some idea of your own that does not come from the word of God. If miracles detract from the preaching of the gospel, why will the two witnesses do them? You can have your own theories. Just don't pretend like they have anything to do with the gospel or the Bible.

We have scripture in it's full content.

And the scriptures do not teach that God doing miracles detracts from the gospel. In fact, we see how doing miracles goes hand in hand with preaching and supports it.

The Holy Spirit uses the word of God and not miracles to convert men's souls. See the problem here and in the modern church is the lack of belief that God is going to do what God desires to do the way He has declared He will do it. You and many others want to help God work in the hearts and minds of unsaved men with miracles and signs.

Again, you are creating a false dichotomy. In the Bible, men of God doing miracles by the power of God is a complement to the preaching of the word. You are just inventing your own theory for which you have no Biblical support. In fact, it contradicts what we see in the Bible.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Great verse. But I notice you quoted a verse that does not support your theory....probably because no scripture supports your theory.

 

[Noose]

We do in The Revival fellowship.

I don't think so.

 

[Noose]

This is a 'lesser to greater argument', not an indication that there would be no more prophets. There were prophets when this was written. Read Acts, the epistles, and the book of Revelation. Silas, Paul's partner in ministry, was a prophet.

I don't have any problems with prophets at that time, but that time is long gone:

Jer 31:
31Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their fathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt—
a covenant they broke,
though I was a husband to them,f ”
declares the LORD.
33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the LORD.
I will put My law in their minds
and inscribe it on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
and they will be My people.
34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquity
and will remember their sins no more.”

 

[notuptome]

So do you think Jesus was wrong, then, to say '...ye seek Me not because ye saw the miracle...'? The people's motivation was not to see Jesus because He was a miracle-worker, but because He had filled their bellies. They wanted food. They asked him for bread from heaven as was given in the time of Moses. He pointed them toward something more spiritual.



Show me this in the Bible. You are obvious just saying some idea of your own that does not come from the word of God. If miracles detract from the preaching of the gospel, why will the two witnesses do them? You can have your own theories. Just don't pretend like they have anything to do with the gospel or the Bible.



And the scriptures do not teach that God doing miracles detracts from the gospel. In fact, we see how doing miracles goes hand in hand with preaching and supports it.



Again, you are creating a false dichotomy. In the Bible, men of God doing miracles by the power of God is a complement to the preaching of the word. You are just inventing your own theory for which you have no Biblical support. In fact, it contradicts what we see in the Bible.



Great verse. But I notice you quoted a verse that does not support your theory....probably because no scripture supports your theory.

I'm not certain that you actually see what is written in the bible. You see what you want to see and avoid much of what is actually written.

Does God still do miracles today? Yes miracles have not ceased. Do men do the work of miracle worker? No. Does God need miracles so men will believe? No. God has sent His word that men might believe.

You religion simply makes God dependent on miracles and not potent enough to accomplish His will by His word alone. God spoke the world into being. Do you really think God cannot by His word bring men to a saving knowledge of Christ?

You are in the same boat as the religious leaders in Israel when Christ walked on the earth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger