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p_rehbein

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** Peeks in... Looks around **

Ah. Good morning.

*lifts cup of coffee to lips, takes a sip*

I'm gonna need more coffee today.. Sigh...

But, alas... It's Monday!! I will be happy and rejoice for yet another day to be alive! :)

Psalms 30:5) For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
 

EarnestQ

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Well I finally wrote my speech. I have to give a short speech at church this month. And it is that, short n to the point.

If I can try it out on any one just say so. I'm dying for an honest opinion.
PM it to me. I will be happy to read it.

(I think I might have the gift of "discouragement" about such things. ;))
 

EarnestQ

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Sweetgirl,

One thing I have found very helpful when I am preparing to verbally present something I wrote is to read it out loud to myself several times. It helps me notice awkward word sequences and other things I might like to change.

It also helps prepare me for doing the actual reading.

FWIW. :cool:
 
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By miri in #25621-
-But a child could not say the
same of a distant uncle who they only see at Christmas and Easter!-

Hi miri. I thought her mini-sermon was good, but I THINK I see your point here.
My question though is, Who's responsible?

Some say that it's our responsibility to get to know the 'uncle' (God) better, 'visit Him more' perhaps, but what about people who try but can't seem to sense any deep connection.

We hear stories of people who God comes to visit in very real ways/experiences. Their own 'Damascas Road' encounters, if you will, and I can see how that could make it a bit more convincing or easier to believe,

but what about those who God (distant uncle) doesn't seem to visit much ... Christmas and Easter IF you're lucky?


That's why I sometimes think that hearing too much about 'personal experience testimonies' can sometimes have a reverse affect on some hearers.

Why does uncle God visit some people but not others? And it doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason. Some people seem to read or pray or go to church regularly and seriously desire to know Him, but feel distant from Him.

Others will say they weren't seeking Him at all, and He came and met them and they were 'bathed in light' or 'washed in love' or they 'had this peace' and just KNEW this was God.
(I can see why a person would believe if they had those encounters! )

But it can make a other people doubt that God loves them as much, or at all, or make them feel guilty, that perhaps their sins are worse or their heart is more wicked.

They might blame themselves for being unlovable, or they may re-double their efforts, read more, pray harder, worship 'deeper', volunteer more or do more good deeds, etc. With good intentions, but maybe also with the hopes of catching a piece of the encounters they hear others have.

Then comes the guilt -trips of being a pharisee, of trying to earn God's favor, so then what? Try harder and prove it? Or lose hope and walk away in sadness? Or just go lukewarm, only to have the threat of being spewed out hanging over their head?

Isn't it better to give them the Word that God is with them, or as 'sweetgirl' said, don't fret or be disheartened, because God made promises in His Word? Sure, it's harder to have faith without those 'intimate encounters with God', but isn't it better than nothing, or is it all just dangling carrots?

And miri, I almost always appreciate and relate to your posts, so I hope you don't take my comments the wrong way, I just wasn't sure what you were getting at with regards to the distant uncle.

Again, who is responsible? The bible says, 'You will find me when you seek me with your whole heart' and 'seek first God's kingdom and righteousness ... ' but elsewhere it says 'He is found by people who DON'T seek Him' and that 'none seek after Him', but He seeks and comes to us.

I just think sweet girl is at least trying to do good by laying out some sweet and precious promises, trying to give people some hope to cling to, despite any startling personal encounters.

But then again, I could be waaay off here, and that would come as no surprise :p .
 

blue_ladybug

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Hi I'm new here. & I'm another Western Pennsyvanian. I love the 4 seasons here in Pa. but don't like this heat we been having, rather have snow lol.

Wow, can't even read this hardly. Could you please enlarge your font to 3 or 4? Bad vision comes with being 40-something..lol
 

melita916

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good morning, friends!

so, last week, i mentioned i was preaching sunday night for missions service. well, what had happen was... lol we had a visitor preacher come to our service sunday morning, so pastor (after asking me if it was ok) asked the visitor if he wanted to preach for sunday night. i was like i have no problem with it :D lol so i didn't preach last night, but i was asked to preach for the 17th. hehe.
 
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good morning, friends!

so, last week, i mentioned i was preaching sunday night for missions service. well, what had happen was... lol we had a visitor preacher come to our service sunday morning, so pastor (after asking me if it was ok) asked the visitor if he wanted to preach for sunday night. i was like i have no problem with it :D lol so i didn't preach last night, but i was asked to preach for the 17th. hehe.

The Holy Spirit will give you the words to speak and you will lift up Jesus I'm sure. ( Ohh..don't forget that all women preachers need to wear "pants" in order to have the anointing to work...:rolleyes: )
 
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Spirit of God, in love descend,
And make our hearts your place of rest;
In all our need a steadfast Friend,
To fill our store with gifts the best;

To cleanse our souls with holy fire
From sordid stains that guilt imparts,
And with your heavenly power inspire
Our languid zeal, and fainting hearts;

To lift our minds to nobler things
Than earth from all its best can show--
The wealth that flies on speedy wings,
The fleeting joys, like sparks that glow.

Come in the hour of sore distress,
When deep the heart for comfort sighs;
And with your soothing kindliness
The tear-drops wipe from weeping eyes.

"Lo, I am with you to the end,"
Thus speaks the promise of our Lord;
O Spirit of the Christ, descend,
Fulfil to us the gracious word

Hymns of the Early Church - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
 
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Sweetgirl,

One thing I have found very helpful when I am preparing to verbally present something I wrote is to read it out loud to myself several times. It helps me notice awkward word sequences and other things I might like to change.

It also helps prepare me for doing the actual reading.

FWIW. :cool:
YES LOUD REPETITION CAN BE HELPFUL SOMETIMES

YES LOUD REPETITION CAN BE HELPFUL SOMETIMES

YES LOUD REPETITION CAN BE HELPFUL SOMETIMES

YES LOUD HELPFUL REPETITION CAN BE SOMETIMES


Wait, WHAT?
 
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sweetgirl

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OK. Thanks for the suggestion. Always open to ideas.
 
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Miri

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By miri in #25621-
-But a child could not say the
same of a distant uncle who they only see at Christmas and Easter!-

Hi miri. I thought her mini-sermon was good, but I THINK I see your point here.
My question though is, Who's responsible?

Some say that it's our responsibility to get to know the 'uncle' (God) better, 'visit Him more' perhaps, but what about people who try but can't seem to sense any deep connection.

We hear stories of people who God comes to visit in very real ways/experiences. Their own 'Damascas Road' encounters, if you will, and I can see how that could make it a bit more convincing or easier to believe,

but what about those who God (distant uncle) doesn't seem to visit much ... Christmas and Easter IF you're lucky?


That's why I sometimes think that hearing too much about 'personal experience testimonies' can sometimes have a reverse affect on some hearers.

Why does uncle God visit some people but not others? And it doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason. Some people seem to read or pray or go to church regularly and seriously desire to know Him, but feel distant from Him.

Others will say they weren't seeking Him at all, and He came and met them and they were 'bathed in light' or 'washed in love' or they 'had this peace' and just KNEW this was God.
(I can see why a person would believe if they had those encounters! )

But it can make a other people doubt that God loves them as much, or at all, or make them feel guilty, that perhaps their sins are worse or their heart is more wicked.

They might blame themselves for being unlovable, or they may re-double their efforts, read more, pray harder, worship 'deeper', volunteer more or do more good deeds, etc. With good intentions, but maybe also with the hopes of catching a piece of the encounters they hear others have.

Then comes the guilt -trips of being a pharisee, of trying to earn God's favor, so then what? Try harder and prove it? Or lose hope and walk away in sadness? Or just go lukewarm, only to have the threat of being spewed out hanging over their head?

Isn't it better to give them the Word that God is with them, or as 'sweetgirl' said, don't fret or be disheartened, because God made promises in His Word? Sure, it's harder to have faith without those 'intimate encounters with God', but isn't it better than nothing, or is it all just dangling carrots?

And miri, I almost always appreciate and relate to your posts, so I hope you don't take my comments the wrong way, I just wasn't sure what you were getting at with regards to the distant uncle.

Again, who is responsible? The bible says, 'You will find me when you seek me with your whole heart' and 'seek first God's kingdom and righteousness ... ' but elsewhere it says 'He is found by people who DON'T seek Him' and that 'none seek after Him', but He seeks and comes to us.

I just think sweet girl is at least trying to do good by laying out some sweet and precious promises, trying to give people some hope to cling to, despite any startling personal encounters.

But then again, I could be waaay off here, and that would come as no surprise :p .

No need to apologise or is that apologies ? I can never remember lol.


I suppose it's just how my brain thinks now. :)
I've come through a lot of hardship and for me now, something I find hard, is when
people quote bible verses as if that makes everything better - I find it doesn't. If
anything it can make people feel worse (like you say but from a different angle etc).
unless it's under the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit.

So say a person is in deep depression or difficulties, and along comes squeaky Christian A and says,
cheer up God is love, it says so in the bible. My first thought would be to hit them with something
heavy, maybe that big bible they are carrying. Lol

On the practical side when a person needs encouragement, help etc. Actions really do speak
louder than words, demonstrating Christian love means far more than quoting a verse. It
might be a car lift, help with shopping, someone offering to go to an appointment with you etc.

But there is also the question of going deep into God (far better to do that before the crisis hits and
build up your faith before the fire hits).

Funny you should mention asking, seeking, knocking as I was thinking about that myself yesteday.
How do we ask,seek,knock and go deeper in our walk with God.

I was thinking of creating a thread, but then decided not to as it would mostly attract the
Christianese (you know, where people just say religious words which don't mean a whole lot).

For me looking back over my life there have been times when I have felt really close to God and
other times when I've been distant. I think I know some of the reasons and have learnt how
to achieve that closeness, but it's all still a work in progress.

It takes determination, discipline, but more than anything it takes a whole new way of looking at
things and thinking about God putting off preconceived ideas. It's something which grows within you.

Jesus mentioned the parable of the mustard seed which is the smallest seed but it grows into the largest tree.
Thats what are walk with God is like, but many (and I've done it as well) give up beside they see
the new growth.

The other thing is that many play down the role of God the Holy Spirit, by doing so they miss out
so much. Another big issue is listening too much to that inner voice of self doubt and disappointment
instead of the still small voice of God.

But...sometimes and this was a massive revelation to me...God plays a bit of hide and seek to see how
serious we are and draw us to Himself. If we get something too easy we don't always place value on it.
Often we want instant results, we live in an instant world but God has long term plans,
He is in this for the long haul with you.

Then there is the massive role of genuine fellowship and friendship in all of this. This is so
important, iron sharpens iron.

I wish sometimes I could sit down face to face with my friends on CC, have a proper natter, share
our ups and downs, really prayer for each other, really understand each other. Something lifts from us
when we really share, when we can be real in front of people and real in front of God.

On the matter of being real in front of God. That is important as well, we should be able to weep
in God's presence, have a rant at God, express our disappointment at God, but it is something you
rarely hear taught in churches. They only talk about worshipping God etc.

But look at the Psalms, they express all sorts of emotions. The church does great harm when it
down plays human emotions and expects Christians to be positive all the time.

Best way forward is to start afresh, wipe the slate clean, don't have any expectations of what you
want to see happen. Find time to spend quality time with God, have a loose schedule maybe a
little prayer, maybe a little bible reading, maybe a little worship music. Most importantly
an open mind. Invite the Holy Spirit to move in whatever way He wants to. Write down
your thought whether positive or negative.

Some days it may feel dry other days you may feel something has lifted, still other days
you will feel God was present. but that isn't because God has good days
and bad days - it's because we have good days and bad days! But you know what God still
loves you despite the bad days.

And slowly but surely there will be a change in you as you allow God to work in you.
It's not a magic formula, it takes time for that mustard seed to grow.

One thing I tried at one point is I got a piece of paper and filled one half with things
i wanted to achieve and see happen - it didn't take long to fill it:).

Then on the other side I wrote the heading "what God wanted".
At first there was nothing on that side. Lol

But bit by bit over the months I started to write down things I felt God was speaking to
me about. The over riding theme was "relationship" build on that and the foundation is
set.


There is no easy way, no right way, different things work for different people.

One question someone once asked me is "if you knew with all your heart God is real, heaven is
real, hell is real, sin is real, salvation is real, forgiveness is real, God loves you with an everlasting love and
you really knew all this was real in a way you could see, hear, touch etc what changes would
you make?

The reality is that the real you and the real me is capable of having a relationship with the real God.:)
The other reality is God is far more willing to walk by your side every day than you can ever
comprehend. But we are the ones who keep getting out of step, I know I do.

Just had a picture of an old man walking steadily and slowly along a road with a little kid running
all over the place. We are like that little kid :) sometimes we just need to slow down and take it one
small step at a time walking with the King.

Im still trying to learn all this, I don't think we ever stop learning.
 
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TemporaryCircumstances

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No need to apologise or is that apologies ? I can never remember lol.


I suppose it's just how my brain thinks now. :)
I've come through a lot of hardship and for me now, something I find hard, is when
people quote bible verses as if that makes everything better - I find it doesn't. If
anything it can make people feel worse (like you say but from a different angle etc).
unless it's under the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit.

So say a person is in deep depression or difficulties, and along comes squeaky Christian A and says,
cheer up God is love, it says so in the bible. My first thought would be to hit them with something
heavy, maybe that big bible they are carrying. Lol

On the practical side when a person needs encouragement, help etc. Actions really do speak
louder than words, demonstrating Christian love means far more than quoting a verse. It
might be a car lift, help with shopping, someone offering to go to an appointment with you etc.

But there is also the question of going deep into God (far better to do that before the crisis hits and
build up your faith before the fire hits).

Funny you should mention asking, seeking, knocking as I was thinking about that myself yesteday.
How do we ask,seek,knock and go deeper in our walk with God.

I was thinking of creating a thread, but then decided not to as it would mostly attract the
Christianese (you know, where people just say religious words which don't mean a whole lot).

For me looking back over my life there have been times when I have felt really close to God and
other times when I've been distant. I think I know some of the reasons and have learnt how
to achieve that closeness, but it's all still a work in progress.

It takes determination, discipline, but more than anything it takes a whole new way of looking at
things and thinking about God putting off preconceived ideas. It's something which grows within you.

Jesus mentioned the parable of the mustard seed which is the smallest seed but it grows into the largest tree.
Thats what are walk with God is like, but many (and I've done it as well) give up beside they see
the new growth.

The other thing is that many play down the role of God the Holy Spirit, by doing so they miss out
so much. Another big issue is listening too much to that inner voice of self doubt and disappointment
instead of the still small voice of God.

But...sometimes and this was a massive revelation to me...God plays a bit of hide and seek to see how
serious we are and draw us to Himself. If we get something too easy we don't always place value on it.
Often we want instant results, we live in an instant world but God has long term plans,
He is in this for the long haul with you.

Then there is the massive role of genuine fellowship and friendship in all of this. This is so
important, iron sharpens iron.

I wish sometimes I could sit down face to face with my friends on CC, have a proper natter, share
our ups and downs, really prayer for each other, really understand each other. Something lifts from us
when we really share, when we can be real in front of people and real in front of God.

On the matter of being real in front of God. That is important as well, we should be able to weep
in God's presence, have a rant at God, express our disappointment at God, but it is something you
rarely hear taught in churches. They only talk about worshipping God etc.

But look at the Psalms, they express all sorts of emotions. The church does great harm when it
down plays human emotions and expects Christians to be positive all the time.

Best way forward is to start afresh, wipe the slate clean, don't have any expectations of what you
want to see happen. Find time to spend quality time with God, have a loose schedule maybe a
little prayer, maybe a little bible reading, maybe a little worship music. Most importantly
an open mind. Invite the Holy Spirit to move in whatever way He wants to. Write down
your thought whether positive or negative.

Some days it may feel dry other days you may feel something has lifted, still other days
you will feel God was present. but that isn't because God has good days
and bad days - it's because we have good days and bad days! But you know what God still
loves you despite the bad days.

And slowly but surely there will be a change in you as you allow God to work in you.
It's not a magic formula, it takes time for that mustard seed to grow.

One thing I tried at one point is I got a piece of paper and filled one half with things
i wanted to achieve and see happen - it didn't take long to fill it:).

Then on the other side I wrote the heading "what God wanted".
At first there was nothing on that side. Lol

But bit by bit over the months I started to write down things I felt God was speaking to
me about. The over riding theme was "relationship" build on that and the foundation is
set.


There is no easy way, no right way, different things work for different people.

One question someone once asked me is "if you knew with all your heart God is real, heaven is
real, hell is real, sin is real, salvation is real, forgiveness is real, God loves you with an everlasting love and
you really knew all this was real in a way you could see, hear, touch etc what changes would
you make?

The reality is that the real you and the real me is capable of having a relationship with the real God.:)
The other reality is God is far more willing to walk by your side every day than you can ever
comprehend. But we are the ones who keep getting out of step, I know I do.

Just had a picture of an old man walking steadily and slowly along a road with a little kid running
all over the place. We are like that little kid :) sometimes we just need to slow down and take it one
small step at a time walking with the King.

Im still trying to learn all this, I don't think we ever stop learning.
No need to apologize *
:)
 
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Miri

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Bah! Humbug!
The propur weigh to speil it iz with a "z".
Yeag but we Brits speak with a plum in the mouth so S works better.
Whereas you Americans have a long deputy dog drawl so ZZzzz works better.



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