Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[eternally-gratefull]

Which again begs the question, why would satan go to such great lengths to discredit something, if there wasn't a truth he was trying to bury?

Who said he was going through great lengths to discredit it.

One could say he goes through great debts to defend it..

I just love how these illogically arguments which can be used by both parties are used to defend ones position.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

what?

my post was not good?

just tell me stones. I can't sleep

(I'm tired so I get silly but honestly did not understand? )

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm just responding to your post about the baby. Good grief which isn't good


It is the same EG. The power of God will manifest in all these ways as He desires, same as giving out giftings. It's His work. I can't say anything else.

The thing is EG, for there is always that thing....you and all of us can watch what goes on, but you don't know what the lasting effects are on the people experiencing this power. Only by their testimonies. Not all testify publicly. Some just tell their families. Some tell no one but think about these things and the changes brought to their lives from them.

So we judge. Not always righteously either. Not all understanding. Then mouths begin to speak.

Same thing with Jesus when He ministered. Even His family came to Him while He was teaching, yet He would not go at their bidding to them. He knew what was going on.

 

[Waggles]

Well go ahead Waggles, You gave me the read X. Tell everyone how you think we are saved through water baptism..

Actually it is a white X on a red background.
And I ain't wasting my time with an unteachable person.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

this thread (and others here) reminds me of a game we used to play in Brownies

Broken telephone...where you sit in a circle and someone starts a phrase and whispers it in the ear of the person beside them

by the time it gets to the end, the phrase has become something entirely different

such a fun game

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Actually it is a white X on a red background.
And I ain't wasting my time with an unteachable person.

by gum you are right!

I should have seen that

hmmmm.......

 

[PennEd]

I was going to say " I am not throwing stones , she is to far away " but then changed my mind incase it was caught funny lol , and now I have had to say it ...
Don`t want no hidden thoughts in my mind lol , feel better now I aired it...xox...

So here's the backstory.

These tongues/Gifts/ Baptized in the Spirit threads have been going on for at least a couple of yrs. The subject seemed so unimportant to me for so long, that I never checked them out. So a couple of months ago I decided to see what all the hub bub was about.

Like you, I always knew there was a segment of charismatic charlatans like Hinn, Hagin, and Copeland, that did this hoaky stuff like we have been talking about. But I DIDN'T know just how dangerous, how far reaching, this movement has become. I also didn't know how obscenely wealthy these people got on the desperate hopes of the misled, sick, and poor.

But I truly had no opinion on the subject matter listed above. I agreed I was ignorant on those issues. Shame on me for neglecting these issues.

So I read both sides of the debate, and watched many diverse Pastors, and posted some videos of the VERY shocking things I saw at these HUGE mega Charismatic churches. Behavior that I THOUGHT EVERYONE here would see as horrific and not from the Holy Spirit. I was unprepared for the assault I would receive from those that were in favor of continuation of gifts etc.. EVEN though I NEVER claimed cessationism. and I STILL don't. And defense of these guys from most, not all, that I didn't understand that the Holy Spirit could operate in this type of way. That i MUST NOT have been Baptized with the Holy Spirit. That is when what Pastor MacArthur said stuck with me. That those that come off as reasonable in the movement either join in the attack, or REFUSE to condemn this VERY large, growing movement and their obvious charlatans!.

It seemed the deeper I dug the smellier the whole movement was. And the vitriol from the continuation folks only increased exponentially on a personal level. People that I agreed with on MANY other issues turned rabid. Again, there were a few exceptions, like Lafftur for instance, who at least was open to having a dialog.

So I would encourage you to do your own research. Be a good Berean. And don't take MY word for anything, or anybody elses.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Falling or rolling is not the same as being thrown, if being pulled up in a state where you are dead or paralised and allowed to fall to the ground numerous times. (Although I disagree with that also. The people in the NT got up and did those things imediately. They did not fall over or roll on the ground)

Remember, That is what you were defending earlier.

Thats why you got the response from Pen Ed that you received.

Hi EG...
I cannot remember where in Scripture this is about , but I remember the mans son who was thrown on the floor , even on the fire , he was riddled with demons , then Jesus came to Him and healed the boy , then the boy stopped rolling around the floor , the demons had left him , so it kind of reminds me that the rolling on the floor in these places that we see , is not being filled with the Holy Spirit , but quite the opposite...xox...ps Just a thought...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The thing is EG, for there is always that thing....you and all of us can watch what goes on, but you don't know what the lasting effects are on the people experiencing this power. Only by their testimonies. Not all testify publicly. Some just tell their families. Some tell no one but think about these things and the changes brought to their lives from them.

So we judge. Not always righteously either. Not all understanding. Then mouths begin to speak.

Same thing with Jesus when He ministered. Even His family came to Him while He was teaching, yet He would not go at their bidding to them. He knew what was going on.

What does this have to do with a man taking a baby and throwing them?

Should we not question this? Should we take every person who says they do things in the name of God to come from God. Or should we not question people who do things like this?

Should we question those who call for money and say if you give this much money, They PROMISE God will answer this many prayers

Should we question those who say that God has told them we are ok to leave our wives and husbands, and tear another marriage up and so we can get married to someone we desire? (Yes I have heard this)

Should we question those who say it is ok to take what the poor have so we can be richer?

Should we question those who say that God has called us to come, and all we have to do is drink this cup and we will all be with Jesus right now (suicide)

Should we not question those who claim to be healing in the name of God yet do it is violent ways, Such as throwing a helpless bay on the floor?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually it is a white X on a red background.
And I ain't wasting my time with an unteachable person.

So your afraid to say it also.

Why are people so afraid to tell us what they believe? And what makes them think anyone would listen to them, after they show fear of telling what they really believe?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So here's the backstory.

These tongues/Gifts/ Baptized in the Spirit threads have been going on for at least a couple of yrs. The subject seemed so unimportant to me for so long, that I never checked them out. So a couple of months ago I decided to see what all the hub bub was about.

Like you, I always knew there was a segment of charismatic charlatans like Hinn, Hagin, and Copeland, that did this hoaky stuff like we have been talking about. But I DIDN'T know just how dangerous, how far reaching, this movement has become. I also didn't know how obscenely wealthy these people got on the desperate hopes of the misled, sick, and poor.

But I truly had no opinion on the subject matter listed above. I agreed I was ignorant on those issues. Shame on me for neglecting these issues.

So I read both sides of the debate, and watched many diverse Pastors, and posted some videos of the VERY shocking things I saw at these HUGE mega Charismatic churches. Behavior that I THOUGHT EVERYONE here would see as horrific and not from the Holy Spirit. I was unprepared for the assault I would receive from those that were in favor of continuation of gifts etc.. EVEN though I NEVER claimed cessationism. and I STILL don't. And defense of these guys from most, not all, that I didn't understand that the Holy Spirit could operate in this type of way. That i MUST NOT have been Baptized with the Holy Spirit. That is when what Pastor MacArthur said stuck with me. That those that come off as reasonable in the movement either join in the attack, or REFUSE to condemn this VERY large, growing movement and their obvious charlatans!.

It seemed the deeper I dug the smellier the whole movement was. And the vitriol from the continuation folks only increased exponentially on a personal level. People that I agreed with on MANY other issues turned rabid. Again, there were a few exceptions, like Lafftur for instance, who at least was open to having a dialog.

So I would encourage you to do your own research. Be a good Berean. And don't take MY word for anything, or anybody elses.

oh cut it out

you sound just like VCO but not as believable

many here have said those actions are not of God

but here you are once again saying we all attacked you

I hope you have your favorite meal tonight so you feel better

 

[stonesoffire]

what?

my post was not good?

just tell me stones. I can't sleep

(I'm tired so I get silly but honestly did not understand? )

Now I don't know if I'm the stones, or theres other stones here ....Or do you want stories and not stones?

I'm confused. Who is this to? And it's not time to sleep is it? The sun is still shining here, is it dark there?

Which post? They all are good that I read...did I say one wasn't? Or did the other stones. Help me!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

by gum you are right!

I should have seen that

hmmmm.......

So you can see his mockery

But you can not see he teaches water baptismal regeneration?

Ps.... You said if I could show you someone teaches water baptism you would own up to it.. Did you forget?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Which again begs the question, why would satan go to such great lengths to discredit something, if there wasn't a truth he was trying to bury?

He will go to all lengths , he and his minions to keep those people on the broad path , to keep them coming back , he is always lurching...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi EG...
I cannot remember where in Scripture this is about , but I remember the mans son who was thrown on the floor , even on the fire , he was riddled with demons , then Jesus came to Him and healed the boy , then the boy stopped rolling around the floor , the demons had left him , so it kind of reminds me that the rolling on the floor in these places that we see , is not being filled with the Holy Spirit , but quite the opposite...xox...ps Just a thought...

Amen

It was not the Holy Spirit that caused them to fall and roll. It was demons.

The Holy Spirit gave them PEACE and caused them to stop doing what the demons caused them to do.

Now if we saw this, I could see that as being from God..

 

[PennEd]

Hi EG...
I cannot remember where in Scripture this is about , but I remember the mans son who was thrown on the floor , even on the fire , he was riddled with demons , then Jesus came to Him and healed the boy , then the boy stopped rolling around the floor , the demons had left him , so it kind of reminds me that the rolling on the floor in these places that we see , is not being filled with the Holy Spirit , but quite the opposite...xox...ps Just a thought...

Yes! Notice the OPPOSITE happens today!

It was the DEMONS that caused the boy to roll around on the floor and in the fire. So what really causes the people TODAY, who say it's the Holy Spirit that causes such behavior?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hi EG...
I cannot remember where in Scripture this is about , but I remember the mans son who was thrown on the floor , even on the fire , he was riddled with demons , then Jesus came to Him and healed the boy , then the boy stopped rolling around the floor , the demons had left him , so it kind of reminds me that the rolling on the floor in these places that we see , is not being filled with the Holy Spirit , but quite the opposite...xox...ps Just a thought...

I don't agree with rolling either as an emotional act. people needing deliverance might roll though and cry out. they are in pain

I attended a church once where a woman would interrupt the meeting every time God was the center of our attention(s)

she would get on the floor and wail and carry on. some people comforted her and said it was God

I certainly never thought it was. all attention was focused on her and God (pardon me here) went out the window and the
meeting was over. this happened several times

she needed help. she had also come from another church where she cause that type of thing but in this church, she found shelter
instead of being told not to do that

I don't know if she thought she was acting in the spirit, or if she could not control her emotions and did whatever came into her mind (cause some people do that and are out of control) or she needed the kind of help that boy in scripture received

I raise an eyebrow whenever attention is taken off God and a person takes the place of what others were receiving from the message or teaching

the Holy Spirit does not draw attention to people. He draws attention to God

I don't know why penned and some others have to keep the focus on videos either

the Bible instructs us to behave decently and in order, so constantly pointing out the negative, that people don't agree with anyway, is just strange IMO

 

[stonesoffire]

I see what happened. My computer acted up again and posted your post on a post where I was posting to EG.

Got it? lol

Post 1319 I don't know why your post is first. Shouldn't be there at all. Sorry. It's happened before.

Am tired though....these threads are wearing so I've said all I can here and am not repeating myself.

Going to the ladies forum tomorrow. Hopefully.


Night 7....you know I love ya!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So you can see his mockery

But you can not see he teaches water baptismal regeneration?

Ps.... You said if I could show you someone teaches water baptism you would own up to it.. Did you forget?

not gonna speak against another here with you eg. told you what I think of that. I wish you would listen

no I didn't read all his posts as I already said

but please do go and quote where he says that, refer to the post and I will say oopsie doopsie uncle in front of the whole class

I'm good that way

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yes! Notice the OPPOSITE happens today!

It was the DEMONS that caused the boy to roll around on the floor and in the fire. So what really causes the people TODAY, who say it's the Holy Spirit that causes such behavior?

I agree...xox...