SOLA SCRIPTURA for every child of God

[GRACE_ambassador]

That is a unfounded understanding (pre-trib snatching). Thus we must only rely on SOLA SCRIPTURA and reject pre-conceived opinions of men and religion.

I once believed pre-trib until i went to the Lord to know His answer based on SOLA SCRIPTURA = His Word alone.

Yes, Agree SOLA SCRIPTURA, for a founded understanding, Rightly
Divided {Rule 2 of BIBLE "study" Rules}, Yes, Rejecting All Else!:

Precious friend(s), Definite Distinctions are not being made, resulting in mass Confusion!
Hope this is helpful and encouraging = Please Be Very Richly Blessed in JESUS CHRIST!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This
Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation. Amen. (1_Thessalonians_4:18 KJB!)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world” (Matthew_25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians_1:4; 2_Timothy_1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew_24:29; Revelation_19:16, 11 KJB!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies on white horses! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth “With All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew_25:31; Revelation_19:11, 15)

(5a) Angels “gather the tares First, And they are taken Out of the kingdom”
to be cast into the furnace of fire! (Matthew_24:30, 13:30, 40-43!)

(5b) Angels “gather the elect”... (Matthew_24:31; Mark_13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew_25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew_25:34-46!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians_1:19-23; Colossians_1:18; 1_Thessalonians_4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1_Thessalonians_4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2_Corinthians_5:8; Philippians_1:21-23; 1_Thessalonians_4:13 KJB!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1_Thessalonians_4:16-17; 1_Corinthians_15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” TO HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven...
(2_Thessalonians_2:1-3; 1_Corinthians_15:49; 2_Corinthians_12:2, 5:1, 2;
Ephesians_1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians_3:20; 2_Timothy_4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans_2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1_Corinthians_3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2_Corinthians_5:10;
Ephesians_6:8; Colossians_3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians_5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1_Thessalonians_3:13; Colossians_1:5, 22;
1_Corinthians_6:3; 2_Corinthians_5:1-2 KJB!)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.

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Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

 

[DavidTree]

Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) is an interesting concept because many people claim it, but few people actually adhere to it. For example, any sort of commentary, opinion, or bias is not sola scriptura. I think people just aren't always understanding that our preconceived notions about what the Bible says, our upbringing, life experiences, world view, etc. heavily influence what we think we are looking at.

I think a key on the path to sola scriptura is understanding the message the Bible is trying to convey. Overall, the Bible is not a simple book. It has a lot of non-literal elements in it without much explanation as to what it's talking about sometimes. I think people tend to read themselves into the scripture, as well, believing that all material in it applies directly to themselves.

Teaching the Bible is a sacred responsibility. In my opinion, it is better to say nothing at all than to risk leading someone else astray. We should all strive for a sola scriptura approach to Bible interpretation.

There has only been One Man who was able to walk the Pure Word, speak the Pure Word and Live the Word.
You know who He is, the Word that was God from the begining = the same Word that became flesh.

The emphasis on Sola Scripture is simple yet bold and convincing. It starts as a question to us:

Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or informed Him as His counselor?
Whom did He consult to enlighten Him, and who taught Him the paths of justice?
Who imparted knowledge to Him and showed Him the way of understanding?

It is answers Itself:
Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.

It warns man of his limited boundaries:
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, Agree SOLA SCRIPTURA, for a founded understanding, Rightly
Divided {Rule 2 of BIBLE "study" Rules}, Yes, Rejecting All Else!:

Precious friend(s), Definite Distinctions are not being made, resulting in mass Confusion!
Hope this is helpful and encouraging = Please Be Very Richly Blessed in JESUS CHRIST!:
--------------------------------------------------------

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This
Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation. Amen. (1_Thessalonians_4:18 KJB!)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world” (Matthew_25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians_1:4; 2_Timothy_1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
-------------------
The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew_24:29; Revelation_19:16, 11 KJB!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies on white horses! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth “With All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew_25:31; Revelation_19:11, 15)

(5a) Angels “gather the tares First, And they are taken Out of the kingdom”
to be cast into the furnace of fire! (Matthew_24:30, 13:30, 40-43!)

(5b) Angels “gather the elect”... (Matthew_24:31; Mark_13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew_25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew_25:34-46!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians_1:19-23; Colossians_1:18; 1_Thessalonians_4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1_Thessalonians_4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2_Corinthians_5:8; Philippians_1:21-23; 1_Thessalonians_4:13 KJB!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1_Thessalonians_4:16-17; 1_Corinthians_15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” TO HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven...
(2_Thessalonians_2:1-3; 1_Corinthians_15:49; 2_Corinthians_12:2, 5:1, 2;
Ephesians_1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians_3:20; 2_Timothy_4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans_2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1_Corinthians_3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2_Corinthians_5:10;
Ephesians_6:8; Colossians_3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians_5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1_Thessalonians_3:13; Colossians_1:5, 22;
1_Corinthians_6:3; 2_Corinthians_5:1-2 KJB!)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.

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Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

1 Thessalonians is the foundation for the timing of the Rapture of the Bride of Christ/ His Church.

Matt 24 Jesus confirms this.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes, Agree SOLA SCRIPTURA, for a founded understanding, Rightly
Divided {Rule 2 of BIBLE "study" Rules}, Yes, Rejecting All Else!:

Precious friend(s), Definite Distinctions are not being made, resulting in mass Confusion!
Hope this is helpful and encouraging = Please Be Very Richly Blessed in JESUS CHRIST!:
--------------------------------------------------------

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This
Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation. Amen. (1_Thessalonians_4:18 KJB!)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world” (Matthew_25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians_1:4; 2_Timothy_1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
-------------------
The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew_24:29; Revelation_19:16, 11 KJB!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies on white horses! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth “With All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew_25:31; Revelation_19:11, 15)

(5a) Angels “gather the tares First, And they are taken Out of the kingdom”
to be cast into the furnace of fire! (Matthew_24:30, 13:30, 40-43!)

(5b) Angels “gather the elect”... (Matthew_24:31; Mark_13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew_25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew_25:34-46!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians_1:19-23; Colossians_1:18; 1_Thessalonians_4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1_Thessalonians_4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2_Corinthians_5:8; Philippians_1:21-23; 1_Thessalonians_4:13 KJB!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1_Thessalonians_4:16-17; 1_Corinthians_15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” TO HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven...
(2_Thessalonians_2:1-3; 1_Corinthians_15:49; 2_Corinthians_12:2, 5:1, 2;
Ephesians_1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians_3:20; 2_Timothy_4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans_2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1_Corinthians_3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2_Corinthians_5:10;
Ephesians_6:8; Colossians_3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians_5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1_Thessalonians_3:13; Colossians_1:5, 22;
1_Corinthians_6:3; 2_Corinthians_5:1-2 KJB!)

---------------------------------------------------------------

LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!

The purpose of Sola Scriptura when covering the pre-trib is this:

Please show from the scripture(s) that clearly state: The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church is pre-tribulation raptured before the First Resurrection and before the Antichrist. The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church as a whole Body of Believers.

*** IMPORTANT - Individual believers/resurrections/raptures such as Enoch, Elijah, Lazarrus, John and the Saints from Matthew 27:51-53 (which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 26:19) = DO NOT QUALIFY.
Rules Apply: ONLY Scripture: No Conjecture - No Commentaries - No personal belief statements
Rules for Disqualification: Seeking to Argue/Arguments - Adding to or taking away from God's Word - Personal Belief Statements - Conjecture

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

Proverbs 30: 5-6 "Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 Hear now, O Israel, the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live and may enter and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

EXAMPLE to Follow as Your Guide: Show Proof (Scripture) that Jesus is the ONLY way we can be saved.
ANSWER(S): John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
Acts 4:11-12 This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Please go slow with only 1 or 2 scriptures at a time to carefully allow study and clarity - Thank You

 

[Runningman]

Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,

I thought all of your post seemed good except the bit I quoted above.

This is a good example of what sola scriptura is not. Time and time again, we see this pre-TOJT resurrection/departure of the body of Christ, but no supporting verses that plainly state it or infer it. If the supporting verses existed, you would have quoted them. You quoted no verses for this part because they just don't exist.

I am sure this particular pre-TOJT doctrine is not Sola Scriptura. In order to make it Sola Scriptura it needs nothing but Bible verses to prove it. That's it.

 

[DavidTree]

I thought all of your post seemed good except the bit I quoted above.

This is a good example of what sola scriptura is not. Time and time again, we see this pre-TOJT resurrection/departure of the body of Christ, but no supporting verses that plainly state it or infer it. If the supporting verses existed, you would have quoted them. You quoted no verses for this part because they just don't exist.

I am sure this particular pre-TOJT doctrine is not Sola Scriptura. In order to make it Sola Scriptura it needs nothing but Bible verses to prove it. That's it.

The time of Jacob's trouble does not speak of pre-trib rapture.

It is CLEAR from the Prophets that God will draw nations to surround Israel (Day of Jacobs Trouble) but he will be delivered out of it.

God will judge Israel for it's continued rebellion = Jacob's Trouble. Two thirds of the Jews in Israel will perish

And in all the land, declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it.
And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’”
Zechariah 13:8-9

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus is not declaring two separate events. When you reach verse 27 to 28 he ends the series of events leading to His Return = the Resurrection and the Rapture.

In verse 29 Jesus starts a new discussion ( pertaning to His Return) with a parable. He does not interject Two Returns.
We do this all the time to get our message across - we give the instructions nd then we go back and give more instructions in a different way to get the message clear for the listener.

Pre-trib is the typical 'add and take away' approach to interject a belief upon scripture to support a belief that scripture does not give.

All false or erroneous doctrines start this way and continue this way.

Now go to Revelation 3:10 and show me where the Rapture is clearly stated by Jesus in that verse - Peace

yes many areas of scripture have the same discernment because we break it up in sections and make each thing different it’s all there to give a fuller understanding of the one day he returns and fathers his people and the others are cast away in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and sudden and in notices by those not watching in the world

“For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:24-31, 33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even some Christians won’t know because they are still waiting for monsters and dragons to appear and for a worldwide war and all the physical imagery they saw revelation , but not first hearing the gospel and the foundation of those visions of spiritual evil on earth

he has blinded the world so they won’t see the signs like in Noah’s day it was life as usual outside of Noah’s family but he knew about the flood coming and believed so as they built thier ark as he said , everyone else was unaware the world as usual and then sudden destruction and salvstion for those waiting yet on earth

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-6, 8

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬

 

[DavidTree]

yes many areas of scripture have the same discernment because we break it up in sections and make each thing different it’s all there to give a fuller understanding of the one day he returns and fathers his people and the others are cast away in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and sudden and in notices by those not watching in the world

“For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:24-31, 33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even some Christians won’t know because they are still waiting for monsters and dragons to appear and for a worldwide war and all the physical imagery they saw revelation , but not first hearing the gospel and the foundation of those visions of spiritual evil on earth

he has blinded the world so they won’t see the signs like in Noah’s day it was life as usual outside of Noah’s family but he knew about the flood coming and believed so as they built thier ark as he said , everyone else was unaware the world as usual and then sudden destruction and salvstion for those waiting yet on earth

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-6, 8

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬

Excellent - thank you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Excellent - thank you

Welcome just supporting what you said with some scripture God bless

 

[rayzor]

word is god and god is not wood and ink,nor bond by it worship the shepard not the [staff = bible] truth is all around us

 

[Pilgrimshope]

word is god and god is not wood and ink,nor bond by it worship the shepard not the [staff = bible] truth is all around us

what’s written down in scripture is what Godnintends for man to know . If you wanted to know how to become a doctor , would you say “ I don’t need to learn the information that’s written down and established i already know it’s in the universe?

mankind operates like God made us above all creatures we have a mind that works by knowledge and knowledge is conveyed to man by words . The difference in a “ book” that’s in necassary especially in a BIBLE discussion forum is that it’s written by several men’s hands , but it is spoken by the spirit of the only true God in said universe , the God OF said universe

it’s the knowledge of himself okey in words that he said so we can know now what he actually said and don’t have to rely on mysticism imagining what he might be like or may desire from us how he cares for us , who we really are , the truth about mankind and God is in the Bible it’s why there are bibles across the globe me why people study and learn because when they begin that they start seeing who God really is and what he really said

when man takes the Bible out of Faith it leaves us in the dark hoping we can wish for thkngs we want like salvstion on our own

any person that wants to know anything y new knowledge studies the right information and it begins to be written on thier understanding and conscience

but I understand why people don’t want to address scripture when we speak from our own thinking first

 

[tourist]

If i do not respond it is because i have responsibilities to attend to ( i am a father/husband/provider) - love

Same here.

 

[rayzor]

in the scholls =[ the old testament] they seek life and they had the bible in the fleash and would not listen him.the bible one of the greatest idols of all time

 

[rayzor]

it is god that give us understanding no book of itself that includes doctors book.It is written their is only one teacher.That is only one they can give you wisdom.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

in the scholls =[ the old testament] they seek life and they had the bible in the fleash and would not listen him.the bible one of the greatest idols of all time

So why are you in a Bible discussion forum ? Are you saving people from believing the Bible and what it has to say by imagining it’s an idol ?

I couldn’t imagine God revealing his plan to mankind , causing them to write it down and preserve it for thousands of uears then sending e nessiah and him speaking Gods word and causing that to be written down by those who saw and heard and witnesses these things and then had all that written down to witness his glory across the earth

and now someone comes to a Bible forum and suddenly reveals it’s idol worship to learn and believe and trust it’s truth

that seems like something the serpent might conclude and whisper to us but just a thought

 

[Pilgrimshope]

it is god that give us understanding no book of itself that includes doctors book.It is written their is only one teacher.That is only one they can give you wisdom.

it’s fruitless for you to explain why the Bible is an idol to me if you wish to accomplish your goal you will have to find some other sucker

 

[rayzor]

that being said study to show yourself approved.[2 timothy 2:15]

 

[Pilgrimshope]

that being said study to show yourself approved.[2 timothy 2:15]

study what the invisible wind ?

 

[rayzor]

its just that i see many of us have a love of learning the bible with no interest in knowing god.

 

[rayzor]

John 3:8 u mean?