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amen I just wanted to add a word to that from Paul
“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:9-11 KJV
“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:9-11 KJV
amen Jesus didn’t come for the Self righteous ....he came to bring sinners to repentance and make us righteous who will believe .
“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:31-32 KJV
often our perception that we are righteous keeps us from repentance and The hope of righteousness given through believing the gospel
“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:31-32 KJV
often our perception that we are righteous keeps us from repentance and The hope of righteousness given through believing the gospel
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Yes that was my point the disciples before the cross were already preaching the gospel That they weren’t preachingnjesusndied and rose before hand but they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
as was Paul Paul says the first thing he preached of the gospel was Jesus death and resurrection . That doesn’t mean he didn’t preach the kingdom of God also he only says I first preached to you .....
I completely agree the gospel was preached by Jesus in full and then everyone else arenwotnesses to its truth
Yes that was my point the disciples before the cross were already preaching the gospel That they weren’t preachingnjesusndied and rose before hand but they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
as was Paul Paul says the first thing he preached of the gospel was Jesus death and resurrection . That doesn’t mean he didn’t preach the kingdom of God also he only says I first preached to you .....
I completely agree the gospel was preached by Jesus in full and then everyone else arenwotnesses to its truth
believing in Jesus Christ according to his gospel is the only one who can save today , yesterday and forever
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Look what you are rejecting
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
are you claiming Jesus Christ doesn’t get it or his word doesn’t apply ?
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word....
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:42-43, 47, 51 KJV
Reconsider brother
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
It’s Gods word it’s about eternal
Life kesus sent the gospel out for us to believe it’s not a good idea to make your doctrine about why we should reject the lords word
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Look what you are rejecting
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
are you claiming Jesus Christ doesn’t get it or his word doesn’t apply ?
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word....
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:42-43, 47, 51 KJV
Reconsider brother
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
It’s Gods word it’s about eternal
Life kesus sent the gospel out for us to believe it’s not a good idea to make your doctrine about why we should reject the lords word
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Amen the one God sent Who said
“I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
...Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:26, 28-29, 31-32
“I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
...Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:26, 28-29, 31-32
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Amen! You are noticing what the Pharisees did not seem to grasp. And this message was always in the Old Testament. Jesus was trying to get them to see that. Their hearts were waxed gross and hardened so that they were blind to what was always there in the Old Testament.
When Moses asked to see his Glory, he said "There is a place by me..." and thou shalt stand upon a rock.. Then he passed before him a
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Jesus told them.. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
When he said that he was telling them to go look in the scriptures and understand what it meant. See it was always there for them to read and yet they seem to have no clue what mercy really looked like in daily life and in their relationships. Especially their relationship with the gentiles or a sinner, or a samaritan. Many of the parables were given specifically to get them to understand that they were not having the right heart toward sinners and gentiles, like the parable of the prodigal, among others.
And are we any different? I hope so. We as born again believers should have this revelation of mercy and if we do not show this character in our lives we should be very concerned about the condition of our relationship with Christ.
When Moses asked to see his Glory, he said "There is a place by me..." and thou shalt stand upon a rock.. Then he passed before him a
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Jesus told them.. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
When he said that he was telling them to go look in the scriptures and understand what it meant. See it was always there for them to read and yet they seem to have no clue what mercy really looked like in daily life and in their relationships. Especially their relationship with the gentiles or a sinner, or a samaritan. Many of the parables were given specifically to get them to understand that they were not having the right heart toward sinners and gentiles, like the parable of the prodigal, among others.
And are we any different? I hope so. We as born again believers should have this revelation of mercy and if we do not show this character in our lives we should be very concerned about the condition of our relationship with Christ.
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Mateo time form the low grade insults ....
jesus the lords words the ones written down on your bible in the gospel that you constantly avoid this is a circle tho so I’m gonna move on and talk with people who can accept what scripture says and have scriptural insight I’m not looking for a circular argument with no merit
again sorry we couldn’t find agreement but you should check your ideas against what the Bible actually says but that’s just What I would suggest as another believer
jesus the lords words the ones written down on your bible in the gospel that you constantly avoid this is a circle tho so I’m gonna move on and talk with people who can accept what scripture says and have scriptural insight I’m not looking for a circular argument with no merit
again sorry we couldn’t find agreement but you should check your ideas against what the Bible actually says but that’s just What I would suggest as another believer
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yes brother good stuff there the same principles always existed . The difference in the law and the Old Covenant and the gospel the new covenant is mans perception of God.
What i Mean is in the Old Testament this was their reaction when God spoke
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
do you see what I’m saying ? When we believe what Jesus has to say about God our perception changes from his word will surely kill us ....to this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
Many sadly still have the mindset of Horeb at Sinai about the sermon on the mount they think it will condemn them because it reveals the need for repentance within
What i Mean is in the Old Testament this was their reaction when God spoke
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
do you see what I’m saying ? When we believe what Jesus has to say about God our perception changes from his word will surely kill us ....to this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
Many sadly still have the mindset of Horeb at Sinai about the sermon on the mount they think it will condemn them because it reveals the need for repentance within
were talking about the message the disciples were preaching . They were not preaching the death ,burial and resurrection. Besides the fact it hadn't happened yet ,they never understood it when Jesus told them . He told them so that AFTERWARDS they would remember his words . Jesus would not have been crucified if they had known .
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
One of my favorite Scriptures
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
One of my favorite Scriptures
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