SIX REASONS WHY WE GET THE BEASTLY MARK

[MattforJesus]

Here's my concern. It's flipped.

I'm worried that the deception has ALREADY been in full swing since satan was kicked out by Michael, which happened when the Messiah ascended (and happened even beforehand if you count when the Messiah told the disciples he saw satan fall like lightning).

So that's nearly 2000 years satan had to "taint the daily bread" so to say.

The war between Michael and his angels and the devils has not happened yet.

Lucifer was kicked out of the 3rd heaven where God dwells with the angels, and his name became Satan to identify his new nature as evil.

Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and the clouds above us is considered heaven.

God is restraining Satan from having too much influence in this world but one day he will be off his leash concerning the wicked.

Paul said the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, and the man of sin claims to be God.

Which the falling away first is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations came together as one to work for peace on earth, and the New Age Christ established peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians, and then he worked as a great man of peace, and spread the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God, and they stopped the Gospel from being preached in the world for they say it is not the truth, and they want peace not division.

Which after three and one half years it is the falling away when the transgressors came to the full, and then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, and his power shall be mighty but not by his own power, and he will deceive all people that do not love God.

For those three and one half years repentance and salvation is still available to the world so Satan is still the prince of the power of the air.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, and Satan will be restrained from having too much influence in the world until the operation of the world is rebelling against God by hindering His truth as international law to not allow it to be preached.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God by showing the failings of men in trying to establish peace on earth.

Which an example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, then United Religions, did not turn to God.

And that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet which is probably the religion of Islam against the world, for they stopped the preaching of the Gospel, but they also stopped the preaching of Islam, because of their belief in a God when the new age movement does not believe in a personal God, and Islam will feel they have no choice but to fight for they are hindering them from spreading their religion, and preaching it.

At that time the world is split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, the 10 horn kingdom which shall rule for a short space three and one half years.

The 6th trumpet will be so terrible as a third of the world dies because of it which the antichrist will pluck up 3 horns by the roots, and subdues them which would be for their rebelliousness, which will probably be in the Arab nations, and the 6th trumpet appears to describe nuclear weapons.

The world is devastated and they lost hope for peace on earth, and the 10 horn kingdom failed, and they turn to the antichrist as the solution to have peace.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins, and turn to God, so He allows the man of sin to rule over them.

War will break out in heaven between Michael and his angels and the dragon and his angels, and the dragon and his angels lose and are cast to the earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Satan shall possess the body of the New Age Christ, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast which is the strong delusion God shall send everyone that does not love the truth, but has pleasure in unrighteousness, and the devil will be off his leash concerning the wicked and the man of sin will deceive all people who do not love God.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

When Jesus said this Michael and the devil did not fight yet, so He is either speaking of the past when God kicked Him out of the 3rd heaven, or the future when the angels defeat the devils and cast them to earth.

The 70 people that were following Jesus said that the devils were subject to them, and they had power over them, and Jesus is saying that the power that caused Satan to fall as lightning from heaven is the same power available to you to overcome the devils.

That war in Revelation 12 has not happened yet, and will happen when the condition of the world is the most terrible in going against the ways of God, and hindering the Gospel of Christ, and interpreting the Bible according to the new age movement which is based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual, and there is no personal God, which is when the falling away will occur when the transgressors are come to the full.

 

[MattforJesus]

But if they offer animal sacrifices they reject Jesus.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

They only offer animal sacrifices for three and one half years for they are blinded in part, and the peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians allowed it to happen with no hassle from the Palestinians.

Then after the three and one half years the New Age Christ deceives all people who do not love God, and when they take the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

And then for three and one half years God will send 2 witnesses to Israel and turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah and at the end of that time Israel as a nation will be in the truth, and all Israel shall be saved.

Which the peace treaty will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentiles nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land.

The fulfilling of the 70th week Israel as a nation being in the truth, which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

Which all people shall see Jesus for every knee will bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, and all people are judged.

So Israel as a nation must of come to the truth for they will not see Jesus until they come to the truth, but they will see Him for all people will see Him.

So Israel as a nation came to the truth.

 

[Yahshua]

The war between Michael and his angels and the devils has not happened yet.

Lucifer was kicked out of the 3rd heaven where God dwells with the angels, and his name became Satan to identify his new nature as evil.

Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and the clouds above us is considered heaven.

God is restraining Satan from having too much influence in this world but one day he will be off his leash concerning the wicked.

Paul said the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, and the man of sin claims to be God.

Which the falling away first is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations came together as one to work for peace on earth, and the New Age Christ established peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians, and then he worked as a great man of peace, and spread the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God, and they stopped the Gospel from being preached in the world for they say it is not the truth, and they want peace not division.

Which after three and one half years it is the falling away when the transgressors came to the full, and then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, and his power shall be mighty but not by his own power, and he will deceive all people that do not love God.

For those three and one half years repentance and salvation is still available to the world so Satan is still the prince of the power of the air.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, and Satan will be restrained from having too much influence in the world until the operation of the world is rebelling against God by hindering His truth as international law to not allow it to be preached.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God by showing the failings of men in trying to establish peace on earth.

Which an example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, then United Religions, did not turn to God.

And that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet which is probably the religion of Islam against the world, for they stopped the preaching of the Gospel, but they also stopped the preaching of Islam, because of their belief in a God when the new age movement does not believe in a personal God, and Islam will feel they have no choice but to fight for they are hindering them from spreading their religion, and preaching it.

At that time the world is split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, the 10 horn kingdom which shall rule for a short space three and one half years.

The 6th trumpet will be so terrible as a third of the world dies because of it which the antichrist will pluck up 3 horns by the roots, and subdues them which would be for their rebelliousness, which will probably be in the Arab nations, and the 6th trumpet appears to describe nuclear weapons.

The world is devastated and they lost hope for peace on earth, and the 10 horn kingdom failed, and they turn to the antichrist as the solution to have peace.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins, and turn to God, so He allows the man of sin to rule over them.

War will break out in heaven between Michael and his angels and the dragon and his angels, and the dragon and his angels lose and are cast to the earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Satan shall possess the body of the New Age Christ, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast which is the strong delusion God shall send everyone that does not love the truth, but has pleasure in unrighteousness, and the devil will be off his leash concerning the wicked and the man of sin will deceive all people who do not love God.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

When Jesus said this Michael and the devil did not fight yet, so He is either speaking of the past when God kicked Him out of the 3rd heaven, or the future when the angels defeat the devils and cast them to earth.

The 70 people that were following Jesus said that the devils were subject to them, and they had power over them, and Jesus is saying that the power that caused Satan to fall as lightning from heaven is the same power available to you to overcome the devils.

That war in Revelation 12 has not happened yet, and will happen when the condition of the world is the most terrible in going against the ways of God, and hindering the Gospel of Christ, and interpreting the Bible according to the new age movement which is based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual, and there is no personal God, which is when the falling away will occur when the transgressors are come to the full.

Thanks for your reply Matt.

A few points cause me to differ with this understanding, one of which involves the 10 kingdoms:

The vision of the statue given to Nebuchadnezzar details an unbroken image of a man - from head to toe - to represent the kingdoms that would rule the world until the Messiah's kingdom (symbolized by a separate stone) smashes the 10 toes. And as one metal flows into the next, it represents the new kingdom conquering the previous one.

We know that Rome was the two legs of iron - as, historically, it was known as the empire of the iron age that split into two empires: Western & Eastern, with the longest rule of any kingdom on the earth so far, just like legs are the longest appendages on the body. But immediately after those two legs of iron are the 10 toes mixed with iron and clay, which - if we stick to the rules of the image - means the smaller kingdoms that conquered both sides of Rome are the next ones represented in the image.

So my point is if we know that both "legs" of the Roman empire have been gone since 476 AD (west) and 1453 AD (east) shouldn't that mean we've already been living in the time of the 10-toe kingdoms since the middle ages? Or if we say the 10 toes are still future then shouldn't we have seen the statue broken and dismembered at its feet before it was struck by the heavenly stone?

See what I mean?

 

[Tinkerbell725]

The kingdom prophecies say the whole world, including them, will offer animal sacrifices if taken literally. = they are lost according to you. If you remove the gap and look at NT scripture for what it is, everything lines up. Can you prove a gap that turns Jesus into Antichrist?

See post #42.

Daniel 11 describes the anti christ. He is not like Jesus. He claims to be greater than Jesus and will deceive many even the elect.

 

[Dave-L]

See post #42.

Daniel 11 describes the anti christ. He is not like Jesus. He claims to be greater than Jesus and will deceive many even the elect.

But Daniel 9:24-27 does not. It only allows for one prince, Jesus the Messiah without serious damage to the grammar and a completely unwarranted subject change.

 

[garee]

The Great Tribulation? It happened to the Jews in 70 AD according to Jesus. There is great tribulation Christians go through from Jesus' day lasting until the end of the world. No rapture until the end of the world.

According to some it happened in the 70 AD time period.

I think the time period began as the "last days" (a unknown end) . This is when in 1 Peter 1: 9-11 the Holy Spirit declared the glory had come the graves were opened . The same time of reformation spoken of in Hebrew, following the word of Christ. " It is finished"

The great time of tribulation for the evil one and his followers. The pagan form of government Kings in Israel had fallen when the veil was rent. Satan fell and in that way he no longer could deceive "all the nations" of the world .He lost his Jewish face as the antichrist . A time like never before for the whole world or ever again .

A great jubilation celebrated at Pentecost. The Jubilee and tribulation works are still working in the heart freely given faith to those who hear the voice of Him not seen the eternal One. The man of sin Satan still loking for a body he can spread his false prophecy through.

 

[garee]

See post #42.

Daniel 11 describes the anti christ. He is not like Jesus. He claims to be greater than Jesus and will deceive many even the elect.

He claims to be another teacher, Christ.

 

[garee]

This is not scriptural. Paul says the rapture happens after the resurrection of believers. Jesus says this happens at the end of the world. Proof?
The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)

Last day used 6 time times in John.

Yes we are in that last days that began when Jesus said "it is finished . I would agree the twinkling of the eye. One event called the last day. when death the letter of the law and the daily sufferings of hell will be cast into the fire never to rise and condemn a whole creation through corruption ever again/


John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Dave-L]

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

They only offer animal sacrifices for three and one half years for they are blinded in part, and the peace treaty between the Jews and Palestinians allowed it to happen with no hassle from the Palestinians.

Then after the three and one half years the New Age Christ deceives all people who do not love God, and when they take the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

And then for three and one half years God will send 2 witnesses to Israel and turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah and at the end of that time Israel as a nation will be in the truth, and all Israel shall be saved.

Which the peace treaty will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentiles nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land.

The fulfilling of the 70th week Israel as a nation being in the truth, which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

Which all people shall see Jesus for every knee will bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, and all people are judged.

So Israel as a nation must of come to the truth for they will not see Jesus until they come to the truth, but they will see Him for all people will see Him.

So Israel as a nation came to the truth.

This rejects Christ and his blood. Hebrews 6 says there is no repentance for this.