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The Holy Spirit resides in the hearts of God's children. But He convicts and convinces those who are not saved when they hear the plain and simple Gospel. So they all "hear" from the Spirit. Whether they respond to the Gospel and obey the Gospel is another matter. It is only after repentance and faith that people receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38).

Who ever God calls,they respond.....God chose me....I had no say in the matter.......which doesn’t make me any more important than others.

God drew me to him and I automatically responded to that testifying to my Spirit.....it was huge!.....could never be rejected!
 
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John6:44

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
And I will raise him up on the last day.
 

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The Holy Spirit resides in the hearts of believers. (Romans 5:5; Ephesians 1:13) The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment (John 16:8) yet sinful man needs to respond by choosing to repent and believe the gospel. (Acts 11:17,18; 15:7-9)
Yes which he is able to do so . He can hear the Gospel and believe. He can also choose to not believe the truth so as to be saved .
 

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Who ever God calls,they respond.....God chose me....I had no say in the matter.......which doesn’t make me any more important than others.

God drew me to him and I automatically responded to that testifying to my Spirit.....it was huge!.....could never be rejected!
For me After I heard about the message about Jesus ,properly for the first time it effected me . I responded to the Gospel until so much that I believed it . The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Thats what happened to me . Faith comes by hearing . I heard and I believed. It was that simple . After that moment I knew I had been saved . I knew the bible was true ,that Jesus was risen . Thats the simplicity. I didn't need to be granted the ' gift of repentence 'nor the ' gift of Faith ' . I simply believed . No work involved , I didn't need to list all my sins . The Gospel was clear to me that I was a sinner and I needed a saviour . The Gospel showed me I was lost and it showed me how to be saved . I don't need to look to my works now or my performance ,my obedience for evidence . I look to the word of God .
 

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Who ever God calls,they respond.....God chose me
You continue to persist in your erroneous beliefs.

God calls EVERYONE through the Gospel.

And God chooses NONE for salvation since He calls everyone.

If God failed to do either of these things, He would be violating His own Gospel.
 
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You continue to persist in your erroneous beliefs.

God calls EVERYONE through the Gospel.

And God chooses NONE for salvation since He calls everyone.

If God failed to do either of these things, He would be violating His own Gospel.

No he doesn’t,I had never read a bible ,not until after I was saved...I’m not arguing with you....just 100% disagree with you.
 
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For me After I heard about the message about Jesus ,properly for the first time it effected me . I responded to the Gospel until so much that I believed it . The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Thats what happened to me . Faith comes by hearing . I heard and I believed. It was that simple . After that moment I knew I had been saved . I knew the bible was true ,that Jesus was risen . Thats the simplicity. I didn't need to be granted the ' gift of repentence 'nor the ' gift of Faith ' . I simply believed . No work involved , I didn't need to list all my sins . The Gospel was clear to me that I was a sinner and I needed a saviour . The Gospel showed me I was lost and it showed me how to be saved . I don't need to look to my works now or my performance ,my obedience for evidence . I look to the word of God .

God testified to my spirit,before I had ever read any bible,..it was personal,between Him and I....he drew me to Him.....when God testifies to your spirit....there can be no denying of it.....that is my belief and it will never change...
 

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...I had never read a bible...
It seems like you have still never read the Bible. For your own sake -- since you will give account to God and Christ -- you should read the Bible without your Calvinist spectacles. Just two verses from Scripture thoroughly refute what you believe:

NOT A SINGLE NATION TO BE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S GRACE
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Mt 28:19)

NOT A SINGLE PERSON TO BE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S GRACE
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mk 16:15)

Can you now see that you have made God a liar?
 

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God testified to my spirit,before I had ever read any bible,..it was personal,between Him and I....he drew me to Him.....when God testifies to your spirit....there can be no denying of it.....that is my belief and it will never change...
But you had to hear the Gospel no ? This is what even the reformers believe.
 

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No he doesn’t,I had never read a bible ,not until after I was saved...I’m not arguing with you....just 100% disagree with you.
Sometimes ( and I hear from calvinists a similar testimony ) we can post hock rationalise our testimony later on .I have a friend who has done this . Before they started listening to calvinst teachers there Testimony was very simple . But then it changed to suit what he had heard calvinsts say ' should ' have occurred.
 
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It seems like you have still never read the Bible. For your own sake -- since you will give account to God and Christ -- you should read the Bible without your Calvinist spectacles. Just two verses from Scripture thoroughly refute what you believe:

NOT A SINGLE NATION TO BE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S GRACE
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Mt 28:19)

NOT A SINGLE PERSON TO BE EXCLUDED FROM GOD'S GRACE
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mk 16:15)

Can you now see that you have made God a liar?

I have read plenty of scripture ,the Holy Spirit has led me through it......only it doesn’t line up with your belief.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me DRAWS HIM.
And I will raise him up on the last day.

Draws him.....are in upper case...because you don’t seem to be listening.
 
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But you had to hear the Gospel no ? This is what even the reformers believe.

I heard the Holy Spirit,correct,and responded without a choice...it was automatic...as God drew me to Himself.
 
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Sometimes ( and I hear from calvinists a similar testimony ) we can post hock rationalise our testimony later on .I have a friend who has done this . Before they started listening to calvinst teachers there Testimony was very simple . But then it changed to suit what he had heard calvinsts say ' should ' have occurred.

That is my testimony,not Calvin’s.
 

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I heard the Holy Spirit,correct,and responded without a choice...it was automatic...as God drew me to Himself.
Im not Going to debate your testimony . That is personal and precious to you . I'm simply saying how the bible says we are saved. We only have a verse about the HolySpirit to do with reproving the World of the sin of not Believing on Jesus . ( of course the rest of the verse says ' of righteousness and judgement ' . But no verse after the cross where it says the Father or the Holy Spirit draws anyone . The Holy Spirit is Reproving the whole world of not believing on Jesus. They choose to not believe the truth so as to be saved .
 
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Im not Going to debate your testimony . That is personal and precious to you . I'm simply saying how the bible says we are saved. We only have a verse about the HolySpirit to do with reproving the World of the sin of not Believing on Jesus . ( of course the rest of the verse says ' of righteousness and judgement ' . But no verse after the cross where it says the Father or the Holy Spirit draws anyone . The Holy Spirit is Reproving the whole world of not believing on Jesus. They choose to not believe the truth so as to be saved .

I have just posted scripture how God draws us.....it sounds like you don’t understand it,which is fine,you are on your own journey with God as am I.
 

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I have read plenty of scripture ,the Holy Spirit has led me through it......only it doesn’t line up with your belief.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me DRAWS HIM.
And I will raise him up on the last day.

Draws him.....are in upper case...because you don’t seem to be listening.
Yes as I said . No verse after the major event of the cross and the giving of the Holy Spirit. John 10 is to the disiples and those hearing and learning from the Father , before the death , burial and resurrection( the sheep ) they can come , but no verse says in john 10 that all who are drawn the believe . But rather all those that are drawn can come and those that actually believe will be raised up on the last day . Being ,drawn and coming is not also ' believing ' . There are no verses at all after the cross about The Father nor the Holy Spirit drawing anyone. its why Paul in all those Epistles talks about the Gospel , how to be saved and the components of salvation . Be kinda redundant if all that was needed was the I in T.U.L.I.P to just zap the frozen chosen and thats it , the ' elect ' has been awakened . This is the issue with Calvinism and even some Arminism with ' previenient grace ' . Jesus actually says at the cross , he will draw all men to him .( ' attract )
 
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Yes as I said . No verse after the major event of the cross and the giving of the Holy Spirit. John 10 is to the disiples and those hearing and learning from the Father , before the death , burial and resurrection( the sheep ) they can come , but no verse says in john 10 that all who are drawn the believe . But rather all those that are drawn can come and those that actually believe will be raised up on the last day . Being ,drawn and coming is not also ' believing ' . There are no verses at all after the cross about The Father nor the Holy Spirit drawing anyone. its why Paul in all those Epistles talks about the Gospel , how to be saved and the components of salvation . Be kinda redundant if all that was needed was the I in T.U.L.I.P to just zap the frozen chosen and thats it , the ' elect ' has been awakened . This is the issue with Calvinism and even some Arminism with ' previenient grace ' . Jesus actually says at the cross , he will draw all men to him .

Sorry, I disagree....John 1:5

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you and before you were born I consecrated you.
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

God calls the elect.
 

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Sorry, I disagree....John 1:5

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you and before you were born I consecrated you.
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

God calls the elect.
Formed who ?
 
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If you don’t understand that scripture...I can’t help you......ask the Holy Spirit to show you what it means.....
I understand it.....I’m not God only he can help you understand it.