Signs and wonders?

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Fundaamental

Fundaamental

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Are you saying that they are not signs and wonders?
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basically in the old testament people where bowing down to the stars looking for signs and it was spoke against badly.
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Well that's what I just read, but honestly I really dont see with what that has to Do with God actually showing you a sign that you don't ask for or a wonder.
Or anything on those lines

I think the issue arises, is we must be looking for them I don't know to be honest what the real issue is.

But the only false vision i could see is your own imagination visualizing something you mistake for a sign.

But when a vision comes from no where when your not thinking about that particular thing of course that's different.

Your visions are something your thinking about and something your visualizing.

I am visualizing my research of what's likely to happen in end times
I have no idea if it will but I have seen enough and herd enough over the last ten years to suggest where definatly in a critical period,
But you know all tho global warming is real it could be a natural phenomena befor an ice age. Who knows w could. Plummet into an ice age next year.

I'm sure that you where visualizing end times based on your ideas , so I don't know why you could equate that to worshiping the beast.
 
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There is no doubt that over the last twenty years, we have seen immense and impressive changes to our lives.

We have incredible medical advances, space travel, melting ice caps, instant worldwide communication.

A vast array of wonders to some extent.

2 Thessalonians 2:9
That is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders.

I am not a adherent to any view in eschatology but I was wondering, if we may be moving into an end times era?

There are verses in Revelation that could not have been fulfilled twenty years ago. But can be fulfilled within the next twenty years.

What do you think about the amazing advancements in this extraordinary age?
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from the moment Jesus died on the cross e have3 been moving to the end times. yes, in recent decades, many signs occurred that are undoubtable. my guess (& it's not wrong to guess), is we are very close to the end. but know 2nd Peter 3:8- "but brethren, be not ignorant, for 1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years & a thousand years as 1 day"!
 
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Karlon said:
my guess (& it's not wrong to guess), is we are very close to the end. but know 2nd Peter 3:8- "but brethren, be not ignorant, for 1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years & a thousand years as 1 day"!
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There could be more to that "1 day is as a thousand years" than first meets the eye. Mankind has been here about 6000 years, or six "days." The millennial kingdom will be a thousand years. The seventh day...

...could be. These are exciting times to be alive, IMO. We'll find out soon enough...
 
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There could be more to that "1 day is as a thousand years" than first meets the eye. Mankind has been here about 6000 years, or six "days." The millennial kingdom will be a thousand years. The seventh day...

...could be. These are exciting times to be alive, IMO. We'll find out soon enough...
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7000 years after christ would be more fitting I think but when does that start.
The tribulation period for me has to start after christ.
Because the rapture can only apply to those who have had chance to receive the lord.

So when would that 7000 year tribulation period start

I believe it's two millennium periods 2000 years after christ.
On the third day in the beginning God created dry lands and plants.
Today all the lands around the world are going dry.

where now in the third day. 1 day being a thousand to the lord Jesus as well.




Now the 7000 tribulation period starts.

The new millennium age will happen in the year 9000 for us.

Of course I could be wrong.
 
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Fundaamental said:
7000 years after christ would be more fitting I think
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Why?

but when does that start.
The tribulation period for me has to start after christ.
Because the rapture can only apply to those who have had chance to receive the lord.

So when would that 7000 year tribulation period start

I believe it's two millennium periods 2000 years after christ.
On the third day in the beginning God created dry lands and plants.
Today all the lands around the world are going dry.

where now in the third day. 1 day being a thousand to the lord Jesus as well.

Now the 7000 tribulation period starts.
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Where do you get the idea that the trib will be 7000 years?

The new millennium age will happen in the year 9000 for us.

Of course I could be wrong.
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..sure could.
 
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Why?


Where do you get the idea that the trib will be 7000 years?


..sure could.
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it's all about the seven day thing to me.

Signs the tribulation period has started.
The earth will experience famine like never befor groanings etc..
This has really kicked of in the last 10 years,
The tribulation period can only apply to those who have had chance to receive Christ.

So where now in a tribulation period, some believe this period will be shorter than 7000 years like your self but I feel it will be 7000 years.

Based on 7 the day thing with the father in beginning.
On the third day God created dry lands and plants.

In the last 10 years lands have really started to dry up.

The tribulation period has started.
But the time it will last is up for debate.
I believe it will be 7 days to the lord but 7 thousand for us.
However it could be 7 years if God goes by our time when the tribulation period starts.
 
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It could even be 77 years
Like I say how many times must ye forgive a brother 77 lol 😊
 
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It could be 77 years started 67 years ago 🤔
 
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It could even be 77 years
Like I say how many times must ye forgive a brother 77 lol 😊
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I believe the trib will be 7 years. It will be Daniel's 70th week, and in Daniel a week is a week of years (7 years). Also, there are two periods of 1260 days described, and two periods of "a time, times, and half a time," (3 1/2 years).

Also, the trib has not started yet.
 
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VARob said:
I believe the trib will be 7 years. It will be Daniel's 70th week, and in Daniel a week is a week of years (7 years). Also, there are two periods of 1260 days described, and two periods of "a time, times, and half a time," (3 1/2 years).

Also, the trib has not started yet.
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are you sure 😊.

 
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I believe in a pre-trib rapture. The trib will not start until the Christian church is outa here.
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ok I believe There could be relevance for that.

But also it could be that the tribulation period is for Christians also.

How many Christians died from covid I wonder how many Christians are suffering oppression
 
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VARob said:
I believe in a pre-trib rapture. The trib will not start until the Christian church is outa here.
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whats your position on this scripture

Mathew 24.29-30

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days (tribulation)
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“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[a]
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[b] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[c]
 
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Fundaamental said:
basically in the old testament people where bowing down to the stars looking for signs and it was spoke against badly.
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Well that's what I just read, but honestly I really dont see with what that has to Do with God actually showing you a sign that you don't ask for or a wonder.
Or anything on those lines

I think the issue arises, is we must be looking for them I don't know to be honest what the real issue is.

But the only false vision i could see is your own imagination visualizing something you mistake for a sign.

But when a vision comes from no where when your not thinking about that particular thing of course that's different.

Your visions are something your thinking about and something your visualizing.

I am visualizing my research of what's likely to happen in end times
I have no idea if it will but I have seen enough and herd enough over the last ten years to suggest where definatly in a critical period,
But you know all tho global warming is real it could be a natural phenomena befor an ice age. Who knows w could. Plummet into an ice age next year.

I'm sure that you where visualizing end times based on your ideas , so I don't know why you could equate that to worshiping the beast.
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I have never been able to work out the relationship between these subjects in Revelation. The Bowl, the Seal, and the Trumpet judgements, and their relationship to the judgement of those who worship the Beast.
 
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I have never been able to work out the relationship between these subjects in Revelation. The Bowl, the Seal, and the Trumpet judgements, and their relationship to the judgement of those who worship the Beast.
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Never got into it friend sorry, I have spent some time with it.
The signs you on the right path to Jesus is a better place to look than that.
But after reading posts here about pre trib even mid trib I'm definitely post trib which means Christians will be here for tribulation. Surely based on.
Mathew 24.29-30

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days (tribulation)
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“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[a]
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[b] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[c]

There is only one coming of the lord but pre trib and mid trip would imply there is two.

Because it goes against the scripture above.
 
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From what I've read it's one of the most controversial debates in Christianity, I just haven't got time for that.
But the coming of the lord I have
 
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