Should you say, 'Homosexuality is a Sin.'

[Bluesproverb]

How is your answer 'yes' to my question. There are probably some women who walk by, and you just aren't going to look at them with lust. If you have a grandmother whose aged, or someone else's grandmother. There are women you just aren't going to be attracted to.

But lets say a woman with supermodel good looks walks by in a bikini. She is attractive to you. Does that mean you looked at her with lust?

If any man walks by, I am not going to be attracted to him. If he's young, if he's muscular. They don't appeal to me. I suspect that is the case with most men. But some men might find them attractive, but they can choose not to look with lust.

The men who find other men attractive are 'homosexual' according to how the term is used. Do you think their propensity to be attractive is looking with lust.

If a pretty girl walks by, did you automatically lust after her, whether you wanted to or not?

The Matthew passage says if a man looks at a woman ___in order___ to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in his heart. There is the yielding of the members to sin, involved, to borrow Paul's terminology from Romans 6.



What if the woman is not only pretty, but someone who could appeal to your desires, from a physical perspective? If she walks in the room, do you have no choice.... you just lusted? Or can you choose not to look with lust?


I Corinthians 10 says that with every temptation there is a way of escape, 'that ye may be able to bear it.' Jesus said that He that commits sin is the servant of sin. Paul says do not yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin. Peter quotes the Old Testament, "Be ye holy, for I am holy."



Some Christians believe that as sin reigned unto death, grace reigns through righteousness. (Romans 5:21.

It seems like you have this attitude that every Christian is just going to sin and it doesn't matter that much because they can be forgiven. Is that an accurate understanding?

How is yes an answer to your question❓

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Amen.

NAMBLA was permitted a float during a parade? Gay pride parade,right?

That says a lot about the owner of Hormel too. He praised NAMBLA for what they stand for?

Thompson silhouette's?🤔 😇

No, this was a holiday parade. Sorry about the dated flashback. It goes back a ways with their CEO or pres. at the time, (not "amen". That was the auto spell "correct.") I was reminded by this thread that I won't buy Hormel brand ever again. It was a huge news story at the time. The past couple years it would be applauded. That's how far this nation has fallen.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/1...mond-is-amazing-pretending-to-snort-ketamine/

 

[Bluesproverb]

No, this was a holiday parade. Sorry about the dated flashback. It goes back a ways with their CEO or pres. at the time, (not "amen". That was the auto spell "correct.") I was reminded by this thread that I won't buy Hormel brand ever again. It was a huge news story at the time. The past couple years it would be applauded. That's how far this nation has fallen.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/1...mond-is-amazing-pretending-to-snort-ketamine/

Thanks for clearing that up.

The Desmond child video article is disturbing to say the least. Was he a street kid without parents?😳😟

 

[Magenta]

When we speak we have to speak to issues using words as they are commonly used, and clarifying our own.

Homosexuals as the term is commonly used, refers to those who actively engage in same-sex relationships, not merely those who find themselves attracted to the opposite sex and thereby abstain from any relationships outside of friendships or familial. Those people we would simply refer to as celebate (no one honestly cares why they choose celebacy)

And yes, we call it sin because God does.

I was under the impression that homosexual referred to one's sexual orientation, which does not necessarily or always translate into action. I do understand that others see it differently, ascribing "homosexual" exclusively to sexual activity with members of the same sex, and not simply to who one might desire a same-sex sexual partner, or one who possibly engages in sexual acts with such. To clarify, using the term heterosexual as an example: saying one is heterosexual does not necessarily mean the person is engaging in any sexual activity at all. Some may protest and say, but, heterosexuality is not a sin, or hetero sex is not a sin, and yet, hetero sex outside of marriage is a sin. A homosexual is defined as a person, especially a male, who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex or gender) according to dictionary.com ).

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

1 John 1:8-10~ If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our siand to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a r, and His Word is not in us.

Magenta,

You are so kind hearted and gracious.
It's good that you remind us that we are all sinners and need God's forgiveness daily.
I certainly do.
I admit on this thread my prejudice. I'm not prejudice on anyone's skin color, background, disability or anything which is the way God made us.
I do have a lingering prejudice towards those who have harmed my family, friends and community though. I rarely even think about it unless reminded by thread topics like this.
Maybe I'll publish a book devoting a chapter to each major offense, crime, and immoral action against my loved ones by those who have character traits that I just don't want to associate with. ..not as a victim, but as someone protected and delivered from evil as only our Lord can do.
I hope that has not been the case for my friends here and that your families haven't experienced the suffering that was poured upon various chapters of our lives. We all suffer in some way or another though and have chapters of suffering.
In spite of my prejudice towards the militant LBTPQ folks I still offer what was offered to me at one time. Any of them that are willing to hear this good news gets the opportunity to receive the same gift that I have. This is basically what I tell them.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I was under the impression that homosexual referred to one's sexual orientation, which does not necessarily or always translate into action. I do understand that others see it differently, ascribing "homosexual" exclusively to sexual activity with members of the same sex, and not simply to who one might desire a same-sex sexual partner, or one who possibly engages in sexual acts with such. To clarify, using the term heterosexual as an example: saying one is heterosexual does not necessarily mean the person is engaging in any sexual activity at all. Some may protest and say, but, heterosexuality is not a sin, or hetero sex is not a sin, and yet, hetero sex outside of marriage is a sin. A homosexual is defined as a person, especially a male, who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex or gender) according to dictionary.com ).

If you feel the need to define what you mean, then do so.

Me personally? I believe the far left is trying to wrap up people's entire identity inside a bubble of sexual preference, and to me that's something to fight against because that's not anyone's identity - gay or straight.

I would hope that people take the time to listen to this sermon:

We are fighting against postmodern secular humanism on a cultural level, and it touches everything.

 

[Magenta]

If you feel the need to define what you mean, then do so.

I thought I just did...

Me personally? I believe the far left is trying to wrap up people's entire identity inside a bubble of sexual
preference, and to me that's something to fight against because that's not anyone's identity - gay or straight.

I surely hear you on that. I find the politicization of this (and many other issues as well) quite disturbing.

 

[CS1]

What would you say to a brand new believer who repents and wonders if he is going to Hell because he has the propensity to be attracted to a man. He's not looking at porn. He tries not to ogle or have gay fantasies. It's just that like a man can find a woman attractive, he could find a man attractive. Would you tell him that he is on the way to Hell? What advice would you give him, so that he doesn't go to Hell? If he tries really hard to repent (grunting like someone lifting weights and saying "I repent") but still finds some men attractive, do you think he will go to Hell?

From Romans 1 same-sex lust came into mankind through idolatry and being given over to various lusts. But for the individual who has experienced that, and it doesn't go away, are you saying he is condemned. Again, I am not talking about yielding to lust, but the propensity to be tempted in that way.

I cannot really relate to that. I cannot tell if a guy is good looking. There isn't anything appealing about a man in that way to me. I think a lot of men feel that way. But many of us can relate to the idea of a woman being pretty, being attractive, and there is the possibility to be tempted to stare, ogle or even worse. At least many of us could be _tempted_ in that area, if a man (or tree or dog, or whatever) is not an area of temptation. From that perspective we can relate.

Do you think it is a sin to see a woman and think she is pretty or attractive if she is not your own wife?

it is not what I would say; it is what your question asked.

"What would you say to a brand new believer who repents and wonders if he is going to Hell because he has the propensity to be attracted to a man."

1. if they are brand new Christians, they have already been forgiven of their sins and are on their way to heaven.
2. they need to be discipled and have their mind renewed by the word of God.

The perversion of attraction to the same sex is no different than a married man attracted to women other than his wife. He must allow the Holy Spirit and the word of God to sanctify him from these desires. Whom the Son has set free is free indeed.

Those who are not set free have no desire to be free.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Thanks for clearing that up.

The Desmond child video article is disturbing to say the least. Was he a street kid without parents?😳😟

I'm not sure if he is living with his biological mother or adopted. Some of these types who become foster parents put those kids in a world of harm. I had no idea Ketamine was.used as a date rape drug until I saw this interview when it came out.
Our hospital used the drug to put animals to sleep for surgery. It's dangerous and lethal to humans. One time a ditzy assistant was helping me prep a dog for surgery . She wanted to give it the shot and me to hold the dog. I warned her of improper technique and demonstrated the right way, but she would not listen. She injected me instead.
Next thing I'm out like a light for how many hours, I forget. It's a good thing it wasn't a big dog with a bigger dose or I might not have waken up.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I thought I just did...

I surely hear you on that. I find the politicization of this (and many other issues as well) quite disturbing.

I mean for you to define yourself when speaking on the sin of homosexuality. Not when speaking to one another but when speaking to the sinner when discussing sin.

 

[Magenta]

I'm not sure if he is living with his biological mother or adopted. Some of these types who become foster parents put those kids in a world of harm. I had no idea Ketamine was.used as a date rape drug until I saw this interview when it came out.
Our hospital used the drug to put animals to sleep for surgery. It's dangerous and lethal to humans. One time a ditzy assistant was helping me prep a dog for surgery . She wanted to give it the shot and me to hold the dog. I warned her of improper technique and demonstrated the right way, but she would not listen. She injected me instead.
Next thing I'm out like a light for how many hours, I forget. It's a good thing it wasn't a big dog with a bigger dose or I might not have waken up.

Praise God you survived!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

amen good read

I don’t find a difference in a permissions man who’s attracted to women and a promiscuous homosexual either way sexual sin is sexual sin

God doesn’t approve of either and all is perversion mostly I think of a man struggles with lust it’s easy for them to point at other types of sexual sin to avoid confronting our own

sort of the world is filled with liars saying “ I don’t steal like that sinner “

thieves saying “ I don’t commit adultery like that sinner “

adulterers claiming “ I don’t lie and steal
Like those sinners “

we tend to avoid acknolwedging our own sins and guilt and need for repentance and it makes it easy to do that if we point out others sins that maybe we don’t struggle with and talk about how they better repent of that terrible sin or else …..

liars calling out thieves , or adulterers calling out sabbath breakers or killers calling out adulterers or even permiscous straight sexual sinners calling out homosexual sinners ect is just an example of the hypocrisy of sin and the sinful nature

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t matter which ways we have broken the law we lie and now we’ve broken Gods whole law

we steal now we’re the same as the liar we’ve broken Gods law

we commit adultery we’re the same as the liar and thief and killer we’ve broken Gods holy and complete law

no matter what sin we’ve committed when we start pointing at others sins we’re identifying as a hypocrite

 

[Magenta]

I mean for you to define yourself when speaking on the sin of homosexuality. Not
when speaking to one another but when speaking to the sinner when discussing sin.

Ah! I see. Thank you for clarifying Following my conversion and fairly early in my
Christian walk, I did speak to non-believers over a course of many years before coming here.
My focus was more on encouraging them to seek God for themselves, as well as countering
the false assertions and assumptions many made regarding salvation and what the Bible
has to say on any number of given subjects. It seems so long ago and far away now.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I'm not sure if he is living with his biological mother or adopted. Some of these types who become foster parents put those kids in a world of harm. I had no idea Ketamine was.used as a date rape drug until I saw this interview when it came out.
Our hospital used the drug to put animals to sleep for surgery. It's dangerous and lethal to humans. At a ditzy assistant was helping me prep a dog for surgery once.. She wanted to give it the shot and me to hold the dog. I warned her of improper technique and demonstrated the right way, but she would not listen. She injected me instead.
Next thing I'm out like a light for how many hours, I forget. It's a good thing it wasn't a big dog with a bigger dose or I might not have waken up.

I'm sorry to read you suffered that experience.

Did she have a job still after you regained consciousness?

I'd known about Ketamine as a ”party drug'' for years. I think I'll always be surprised at learning the extent to which people will go to harm themselves.
Resorting to cat tranquilizer though seems to be a subconscious intention to end their life.
How do you party while tranquilized?🥴

It's curious how in over 2000 years since Jesus to date our world is growing worse and people more and more depraved.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Ah! I see. Thank you for clarifying Following my conversion and fairly early in my
Christian walk, I did speak to non-believers over a course of many years before coming here.
My focus was more on encouraging them to seek God for themselves, as well as countering
the false assertions and assumptions many made regarding salvation and what the Bible
has to say on any number of given subjects. It seems so long ago and far away now.

Well just future reference then, of you ever find yourself speaking to someone.

I take it you're older now and don't get out as much?

I think that is a problem for some of us, less interaction with the world as a whole. I'm disabled so I don't get out much these days, but I do still talk online and interact that way...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I would say sodomy is a sin. "homosexuality" and "same-sex attracted" are just sanitised terms to me.

If someone accepts The Lord but still struggles with this I don't think they are in sin unless they act on it.
I don't think it's easy to overcome and it might be a long path to lasting freedom from it. Some people have been
through terrible things. In the church I think we are right to define it as sin but we must offer help if we can. Help
means not condeming the person but recognising that sin is sin & recovery is possible. Prayer is important.

 

[Magenta]

Well just future reference then, of you ever find yourself speaking to someone.

I take it you're older now and don't get out as much?

I think that is a problem for some of us, less interaction with the world as a whole. I'm
disabled so I don't get out much these days, but I do still talk online and interact that way...

I am a senior, and retired (involuntarily when covid struck) fairly immediately after turning 65.
I had also just received a cancer diagnosis (forthcoming treatments and surgery etc being a
reason for laying me off after 38 years with the company), and though I am at present cancer-
free, have had a 3rd surgery just recently booked for later this month, and as recently as a month
ago was hospitalized a few days due to complications. I realize covid has wreaked much havoc
and tragedy in many people's lives, but for me the timing and how everything has worked out
has been nothing short of miraculous, for which I give God all the credit, including shielding
my heart and mind from worry. Not getting out as much due to covid has definitely been an
impediment, and I do feel the results of that for sure, as it becomes more difficult to motivate myself.
I understand that some people experience this as a result of aging as well, so there is likely overlap.

I am not much of one given to flowery speech in prose, though I must say I have enjoyed
witnessing you opening up and sharing more here... like a flower blossoming in the sun!

I am sorry to hear you are disabled, and pray God graces you and yours strength to unfalteringly endure with peace of mind.

 

[Blade]

God is not a man that He should lie. What is written is truth. So homosexuality is a sin. Just what is struggling with some sin mean? Means your still sinning. Your being lied to. Christ came and rose already and whom the son sets free is free. We are not longer slaves to sin. There is no sin that we can not over come because of the blood of Jesus Christ. Because of what Christ has already finished. So I fully understand struggling with sin over the years. I was only a slave to it because I never truly wanted to surrender to Christ in that matter that part of my life. The NT talks all about this. He already broke those chains.

So for me what I understand is the only way in is Yeshua/Jesus Christ as the door. I don't know one believer that has died sinless. The only way they were sinless is the blood of Jesus Christ. So I think after this life some will not get much of a reward or any at all yet are saved and living forever. Now knowing somethings a sin and not caring and not repenting.. of this I truly cannot say. But we get no say in this. We don't write anyones name in His books. No one far as I know has ever been blotted out of the Lambs book.

So being set free is just that. There is no sin that has to have lingering effects for life that we just have to live with. Seen heard to many that say "its gone.. that feeling that desire is just gone as if it was never there". Jesus Christ is real. We just think its so easy to have faith..oh its not. Still to this day no Christian forum I am on is preaching faith how to work your faith. The moment it starts it goes south. OT who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be delivered...period.

So seeing some hot girl/guy is just that.. its not lust unless we run with some thought.. play with that thought THEN its sin. We get those kind of thoughts through out our lifes. We just say..NO get out here in Jesus name. We cast down those thoughts desires. If we don't.. stop repent keep going.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

God created Adam and Eve and told them to multiply.
when Noah was loading the Ark, God instructed to take Male and Female of each [Kind].
so God' entire intention was procreation through reproduction of a Male and Female from the Same Kind.

can 2 Females produce a child?
can 2 males produce a child?

NO!

that makes it impossible to comply with Creation and Instruction to Multiply.
anything that does not Comply to God's Design is an Abomination.

therefore, homosexuality in every possible form including transgender is an Abomination unto God!

 

[presidente]

God is not a man that He should lie. What is written is truth. So homosexuality is a sin.

Imagine there is a man who lived an LBGT lifestyle, then repents, but still finds he could be attracted to other men. He just doesn't yield to it. He doesn't look with lust or give other parts of his body over to that sin.

So are you saying he is sinning because he can be attracted to other men (homosexuality?)