Should we stand with Israel?

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eternally-gratefull

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OneFaith said:
They are just like any other nation unless they become christian. God's people are now spiritual Israel, no longer physical Israel. We should pray for everyone.
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Romans 11.
They are beloved because of the election, But hated because of the gospel (because they reject it and are our enemy)

God does not break his promises. He will not break it to the nation of Israel if they repent. And he will not break it for his children if them mess up.

ETERNAL means forever..
 
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Well, the Tribulation is gong to be a terrible time. There won't be millions when it is all said and done.

The 144,000 will survive, but there will be others also.

Ah, yes, we must twist the motive. I who support Israel and the Jews am the one who is antisemitic. You on the other hand are not though you don't support Israel and believe the Jews should leave the land. What a wordsmith.

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Jesus said it will be the greates the world has ever seen. To the world. Not just to israel. What Hitler did will pale in comparison. How do we know?

Jesus said he would have to come and put an end to the war, because if he did not. NO FLESH WOULD SURVIVE (interpretation. All life on earth would die)

This was not possible in 70 AD. Or even in WW2, But it is possible today..
 
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The Tribulation period will be worse than any other that has preceded in history.

It is God Who wants and has brought Israel back into the land. He is not finished with their judgement. The Tribulation period is part of that judgement. Our message to the Jews is the same as it is to anyone else today. Believe on Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Those few who have received Christ will become part of the Church, and will miss the Tribulation as the Church has been removed at this time.

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I won't even respond to his drivel, but will say this...I have believed for some time that when it comes to the Jewish people, that ONLY those in Israel will be preserved<---to wit those in Zechariah that look upon him whom they pierced and the remnant that is left of the nation will collectively believe and be preserved.....it also states clearly that they will repopulate the waste cities and one must be blind, deaf and or willfully ignorant to deny the fact that The Lion of Judah WILL sit on the throne of his Father David and RULE from a literal Kingdom with a rod of Iron.........
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Romans 11.
They are beloved because of the election, But hated because of the gospel (because they reject it and are our enemy)

God does not break his promises. He will not break it to the nation of Israel if they repent. And he will not break it for his children if them mess up.

ETERNAL means forever..
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That view you addressed in this post is nothing more than a Catholic dogma spewed and taken by many religions that teach some form of a replacement dogma.......
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus said it will be the greates the world has ever seen. To the world. Not just to israel. What Hitler did will pale in comparison. How do we know?

Jesus said he would have to come and put an end to the war, because if he did not. NO FLESH WOULD SURVIVE (interpretation. All life on earth would die)

This was not possible in 70 AD. Or even in WW2, But it is possible today..
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AMEN--> HENCE WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN unto the BODY presence of the LORD..........NO flesh would be left ALIVE, but for the sake of the ELECT and SOME REMAINING and still being ALIVE..............
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your right, the people now have not repented

prophesy says THEY WILL REPENT. And when this happens. Just like God did with babylon, he will return them again. Except that time, Davids son will be on the throne.

Saying jews today have not repented so God does not have to keep his promise if they ever do. Is not right.
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AMEN ZECHARIAH.....when they LOOK UP upon HIM whom they pierced.......
 
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That view you addressed in this post is nothing more than a Catholic dogma spewed and taken by many religions that teach some form of a replacement dogma.......
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The thought God does nto have to keep his unconditional promises made to people just amases me. If God does not need to keep his promise to them, why shoudl I have any hope he will keep his promise to me? What woudl prevent God from just saying screw it, And snap his fingers and wipe out the earth, then send all souls to hell.. basically, Take his sons death and make it null and void. He changed his mind!
 
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trofimus said:
You are supporting Israel full of unbelieving Jews and you believe they will be judged, destroyed and massacred there.

Hm, I do not know, this is too schizofrenic for me to accept as a serious belief or theology...I will better stay politically neutral and support Christians, the real people of God.
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Zechariah makes it clear that NOT all will be destroyed.....a remnant WILL look UP and upon him whom they pierced and collectively acknowledge, mourn and be preserved....

But in ALL honesty....I fully expect you to reject this truth or spiritualize it away into some 70 AD box.....
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The thought God does nto have to keep his unconditional promises made to people just amases me. If God does not need to keep his promise to them, why shoudl I have any hope he will keep his promise to me? What woudl prevent God from just saying screw it, And snap his fingers and wipe out the earth, then send all souls to hell.. basically, Take his sons death and make it null and void. He changed his mind!
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It is that lying replacement dogma that many have embraced........God will not forsake the Apple of His EYE and he will YET fulfill his word unto the Jewish nation.......None of the ones that reject these truths will ever change my mind ever....the scriptures are clear......
 
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It is that lying replacement dogma that many have embraced........God will not forsake the Apple of His EYE and he will YET fulfill his word unto the Jewish nation.......None of the ones that reject these truths will ever change my mind ever....the scriptures are clear......
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It came from hatred of the people who they claimed crucified christ, they were punishing the jews. Of which was easy, the world hates jews anyway, So trying to convince the world it was true was easy

Sadly, many of the reformation took this lie wiht them when they broke from the romand church.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus said it will be the greates the world has ever seen. To the world. Not just to israel. What Hitler did will pale in comparison. How do we know?

Jesus said he would have to come and put an end to the war, because if he did not. NO FLESH WOULD SURVIVE (interpretation. All life on earth would die)

This was not possible in 70 AD. Or even in WW2, But it is possible today..
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Yes, though it be the 'time of Jacobs trouble', God will also be judging the unbelieving world, which is the whole world at that time as the Church has been removed.

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dcontroversal said:
I won't even respond to his drivel, but will say this...I have believed for some time that when it comes to the Jewish people, that ONLY those in Israel will be preserved<---to wit those in Zechariah that look upon him whom they pierced and the remnant that is left of the nation will collectively believe and be preserved.....it also states clearly that they will repopulate the waste cities and one must be blind, deaf and or willfully ignorant to deny the fact that The Lion of Judah WILL sit on the throne of his Father David and RULE from a literal Kingdom with a rod of Iron.........
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Yes, only the believing Jews will survive to enter the Kingdom where Christ will rule in Jerusalem. And those Gentiles who believe during this time will also enter the Kingdom as they will make up the saved nations. (Matt. 25:31-46)

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dcontroversal said:
Zechariah makes it clear that NOT all will be destroyed.....a remnant WILL look UP and upon him whom they pierced and collectively acknowledge, mourn and be preserved....

But in ALL honesty....I fully expect you to reject this truth or spiritualize it away into some 70 AD box.....
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Very, very small remnant. Most dispensationalists count with 144,000 number. But there is about 5 million of Jews in Israel, today.

Such massacre should not be supported by any Christian, therefore dispensationalists should warn Jews and try to get them out of the land, not into it.
 
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Is Israel wicked and secular and atheist and in apostasy? Yes.
That is the purpose of "The time of Jacob's trouble". If they were God-fearing christians, why would God put them through the time of Jacob's trouble?

Just because Israel is wicked and atheist and humanist and all that NOW, doesn't mean they REMAIN in that state forever.
Israel has been backslid MANY MANY times in the OT. And they always came back.

I pray for my people.
 
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Who and when do you think the verse below refers to?

Micah 2:2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.
 
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trofimus said:
Very, very small remnant. Most dispensationalists count with 144,000 number. But there is about 5 million of Jews in Israel, today.

Such massacre should not be supported by any Christian, therefore dispensationalists should warn Jews and try to get them out of the land, not into it.
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I do not believe the 144,000 number based upon all the facts listed about the 144,000.......I personally believe the 144,000 were all boys under the age of 2 murdered by Herod in all the coasts of Israel, in the place of JESUS as martyrs......they are called the first fruits, follow the Lord where ever he goes and are found in HEAVEN before the throne of God, all boys, never defiled with women, no deceit or guile found in their mouths and have been redeemed from among men and the earth <--lived and died....

My view....they are the wave offering of the Lord before the throne...144,000 Jewish males killed as martyrs in the place of JESUS
 
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Them space invaders have been oppressing the people that were already there prior to the invasion

"You shall not oppress a stranger, since you yourselves know the feelings of a stranger, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt"

Just like the Yanks did to the indigenous folks when they invaded.
 
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Does it not say that they have been TEMPORARILY cut off so salvation can come to the GENTILES.....<---this indicates that they will BE grafted back in AFTER the times of the Gentiles runs it's course......!
 
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trofimus said:
However, God never let them to be in apostasy for 2,000 years...
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The reason the time period is so long now, is because Jesus is building His church. The times of the Gentiles so to speak. Majority of those saved today are gentiles.

This was predicted in the Bible:

Hosea 3:4 says Israel will be without a king and sacrifice etc for a LONG TIME and after that seek the Lord and fear Him in the ....... LATTER DAYS!

New Testament says the same here:


Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

They are enemies concerning the gospel, but as touching the election beloved for the father's sakes! Thats the deal now.

This until the time of Jacob's trouble hits and they turn to God.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that in the end times many jews get saved? Whats the problem with it? Its very biblical. Even many reformed amillennialists believe that!
 
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