Should we live like Jersus lived?
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yes, God knows of our love apart from our actions.
Psalm 139: 1. <To the chief music-maker. A Psalm. Of David.> O Lord, you have knowledge of me, searching out all my secrets. 2. You have knowledge when I am seated and when I get up, you see my thoughts from far away. 3. You keep watch over my steps and my sleep, and have knowledge of all my ways. 4. For there is not a word on my tongue which is not clear to you, O Lord.
of course, if you love your neighbor, that will come out. like the Good Samaritan.
I agree we want to be constantly aware of Christ in us
Colossians 3: 15. And let the peace of Christ be ruling in your hearts, as it was the purpose of God for you to be one body; and give praise to God at all times. 16. Let the word of Christ be in you in all wealth of wisdom; teaching and helping one another with songs of praise and holy words, making melody to God with grace in your hearts. 17. And whatever you do, in word or in act, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving praise to God the Father through him.
Psalm 139: 1. <To the chief music-maker. A Psalm. Of David.> O Lord, you have knowledge of me, searching out all my secrets. 2. You have knowledge when I am seated and when I get up, you see my thoughts from far away. 3. You keep watch over my steps and my sleep, and have knowledge of all my ways. 4. For there is not a word on my tongue which is not clear to you, O Lord.
of course, if you love your neighbor, that will come out. like the Good Samaritan.
I agree we want to be constantly aware of Christ in us
Colossians 3: 15. And let the peace of Christ be ruling in your hearts, as it was the purpose of God for you to be one body; and give praise to God at all times. 16. Let the word of Christ be in you in all wealth of wisdom; teaching and helping one another with songs of praise and holy words, making melody to God with grace in your hearts. 17. And whatever you do, in word or in act, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving praise to God the Father through him.
I don't think we can have love apart from any actions as a result of that love. Our actions are the result of our faith, our beliefs, our value system.
Even performing a simple act like washing your face takes thinking of it, first. In the Greek way of thinking it is possible to think in the abstract, so you can say I love without it resulting in anything to do with love. In Hebrew, as scripture thinking all is, you cannot separate thought and action.
Even performing a simple act like washing your face takes thinking of it, first. In the Greek way of thinking it is possible to think in the abstract, so you can say I love without it resulting in anything to do with love. In Hebrew, as scripture thinking all is, you cannot separate thought and action.
right, I understood your question
"Does the Lord see our love if there are no actions followings to express that love?"
to be about what God sees from his perspective, neither Hebrew nor Greek thinking.
yes, love produces actions. the question is, which actions?
Paul writing to Greek thinking gentile folks like us says
Romans 13: 8. Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor
has fulfilled the law.
that says to me that we don't need to worry about the law, that's fulfilled. it doesn't mean that we live in lawlessness, we have the law of Christ.
so I think you've talked on other threads how about not being physically circumsized but being circumcised in the heart. we're on the same page there. and not putting dirty things in our mind, that being the spirit of the food laws, again we agree.
were you saying something about us needing to do something physical regarding the feasts? if so I'd probably disagree there.
I think the feasts were all pointing towards things like this
John 6: 27. Don't work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him."
here's a beautiful song about Jesus being the bread of life, all the lyrics are from scripture
"Does the Lord see our love if there are no actions followings to express that love?"
to be about what God sees from his perspective, neither Hebrew nor Greek thinking.
yes, love produces actions. the question is, which actions?
Paul writing to Greek thinking gentile folks like us says
Romans 13: 8. Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor
has fulfilled the law.
that says to me that we don't need to worry about the law, that's fulfilled. it doesn't mean that we live in lawlessness, we have the law of Christ.
so I think you've talked on other threads how about not being physically circumsized but being circumcised in the heart. we're on the same page there. and not putting dirty things in our mind, that being the spirit of the food laws, again we agree.
were you saying something about us needing to do something physical regarding the feasts? if so I'd probably disagree there.
I think the feasts were all pointing towards things like this
John 6: 27. Don't work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him."
here's a beautiful song about Jesus being the bread of life, all the lyrics are from scripture
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Except about the feasts. We are told that every person as long as we live in the earth are to celebrate them. They aren't about food at all, they are about celebrating God's plan of salvation for us all. The Passover week is celebrating Christ, then Pentecost celebrating the HS, and finally the fall celebrations of the Last days with God's care of us at that time.
Jesus, as the Son of man wept, loved, was angry, rebuked, entreated, spoke truth, was a man of sorrows, laughed, rejoiced, mourned, hungered, thirsted, suffered reproach, pain and rejection yet always went about to do the will of his Heavenly Father...he even had very human moments --->Father if it be your will let this cup pass from me.......
The truth....No one could bear his cross and we all have our own cross to bear......Jesus was not dealt faith by measure as we are....he kept the law, we have not nor will we, he never sinned and we were conceived in sin and at the end of the day he bore our sin and we are imputed with his righteousness....
MANY....YEA MOST...will reject, or deny that Jesus was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant.......having said this, JESUS did tell his disciples that it is enough that a disciple be as his master..........!!
The truth....No one could bear his cross and we all have our own cross to bear......Jesus was not dealt faith by measure as we are....he kept the law, we have not nor will we, he never sinned and we were conceived in sin and at the end of the day he bore our sin and we are imputed with his righteousness....
MANY....YEA MOST...will reject, or deny that Jesus was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant.......having said this, JESUS did tell his disciples that it is enough that a disciple be as his master..........!!
Scripture is written to all of God's creation, so you think you aren't created by God? Or you can rip 3/4 of scripture out and toss it away as not for you?
I wonder if you understand who gentiles and Jews are, and how each came to be!!!! I wonder who came up with the idea that God is a God of Jews but no one else? Sounds like demons to me.
If the feasts celebrate the salvation God plans for man and you say it is for Jews only, that leaves you in hell if you are a gentile.
I wonder if you understand who gentiles and Jews are, and how each came to be!!!! I wonder who came up with the idea that God is a God of Jews but no one else? Sounds like demons to me.
If the feasts celebrate the salvation God plans for man and you say it is for Jews only, that leaves you in hell if you are a gentile.
Paul clearly states in Romans 2 " the gentiles, who do not have the Law... ", so there is that.
and , in Leviticus 26, after the Law and everything else was given to Moses, God stated in v. 46- ".... I will remember the Covenant I made with their fathers who I brought out of Egypt.....
what covenant?? the Covenant that God made with Israel, the Covenant that contained the Law, the Sabbath, and the feasts.
so, unless you can trace your ancestry to those who walked across the red sea, then that Covenant was not made with you.
so, no, I am not about ripping any verses out of the Bible, including these and all the others that state the Law was only given to Israel .
and , in Leviticus 26, after the Law and everything else was given to Moses, God stated in v. 46- ".... I will remember the Covenant I made with their fathers who I brought out of Egypt.....
what covenant?? the Covenant that God made with Israel, the Covenant that contained the Law, the Sabbath, and the feasts.
so, unless you can trace your ancestry to those who walked across the red sea, then that Covenant was not made with you.
so, no, I am not about ripping any verses out of the Bible, including these and all the others that state the Law was only given to Israel .
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Please read scripture before you "explain" it. There are many scriptures in the OT where God tells us that He is the God of the foreigners and strangers as well as the Hebrews, and that what God says is for all.
And what gives you the information that no Egyptian was allowed to travel with their Hebrew friends away from Egypt? It was a mixed crowd of many people, not only Hebrews.
Also, a covenant adds to covenants already given, it is not a cancellation. The new covenant did not wipe out the OT, it added that what was in the old covenant was now in our hearts as well as in our minds. If you truly believe that God cancelled all He had done for us, please post the cancellation scripture. The word "new" cannot be defined as "cancel". No dictionary has that as the definition of new.
And what gives you the information that no Egyptian was allowed to travel with their Hebrew friends away from Egypt? It was a mixed crowd of many people, not only Hebrews.
Also, a covenant adds to covenants already given, it is not a cancellation. The new covenant did not wipe out the OT, it added that what was in the old covenant was now in our hearts as well as in our minds. If you truly believe that God cancelled all He had done for us, please post the cancellation scripture. The word "new" cannot be defined as "cancel". No dictionary has that as the definition of new.
The issue is not whether God has cancelled all that He has done for us. The issue is whether the Old Covenant has been rendered null and void by the finished work of Christ. And there are many Scriptures which confirm that. Let's take one.
For if that which is done away* was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. (2 Cor 3:11)
The context makes it clear that the New Covenant is being contrasted with the Old, and it is the Old which is done away (even though it was glorious at that time).
*That which is done away* is καταργούμενον (katargoumenon) and here is what it means:
Strong's Concordance (2673)
katargeó: to render inoperative, abolish
Original Word: καταργέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katargeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-arg-eh'-o)
Definition: to render inoperative, abolish
Usage: (a) I make idle (inactive), make of no effect, annul, abolish, bring to naught, (b) I discharge, sever, separate from.
So in fact it means ABOLISHED, OR RENDERED INOPERATIVE, OR CANCELLED.
For if that which is done away* was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. (2 Cor 3:11)
The context makes it clear that the New Covenant is being contrasted with the Old, and it is the Old which is done away (even though it was glorious at that time).
*That which is done away* is καταργούμενον (katargoumenon) and here is what it means:
Strong's Concordance (2673)
katargeó: to render inoperative, abolish
Original Word: καταργέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katargeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-arg-eh'-o)
Definition: to render inoperative, abolish
Usage: (a) I make idle (inactive), make of no effect, annul, abolish, bring to naught, (b) I discharge, sever, separate from.
So in fact it means ABOLISHED, OR RENDERED INOPERATIVE, OR CANCELLED.
God did not add to the old covenant; He made it obsolete. Hebrews 8:7, 13 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (It did disappear with the destruction of the temple in AD 70).
The new covenant is better: Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Hebrew 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
Hebrews 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.
Christians are NOT under the covenant made with Israel. We are under the NEW covenant in Christ's blood.
The new covenant is better: Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Hebrew 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
Hebrews 10:9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.
Christians are NOT under the covenant made with Israel. We are under the NEW covenant in Christ's blood.
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So we must look to seer what has been done away with. God's laws are how our world is created, you cannot do away with them. If God takes back His promises then God cannot be what we are told God is in the Psalms for it is not good to take promises back. What is no more is animal sacrifice. The Levi High Priest is replaced by Christ. That is not cancelling the covenants made by God to us. Christ told us that He didn't do that, why would you accuses Christ of something He tells you He did not do? That is something the anti-Christs are doing.
You are the one who is changing scripture without any scripture backup except using the word new to define cancel. That word does not define cancel. Or the word better defined as cancel, and again better does not cancel anything.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
(Malachi 3:6)--"For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed."
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17–18).
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
The old covenant is scripture, we are not to add or subtract from scripture. There is nothing in scripture authorizing the subtraction of the old covenant. The closest is the instructions that some things in the OT are obsolete. The covenants are given by God and it is not obsolete as the blood of animals for grace is obsolete, or the Levi priesthood is obsolete.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
(Malachi 3:6)--"For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed."
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17–18).
Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
The old covenant is scripture, we are not to add or subtract from scripture. There is nothing in scripture authorizing the subtraction of the old covenant. The closest is the instructions that some things in the OT are obsolete. The covenants are given by God and it is not obsolete as the blood of animals for grace is obsolete, or the Levi priesthood is obsolete.