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posthuman

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pittsburghjoe said:
Luke 4:5
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Wait, what? Can Satan play around with time? Physical History?
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if Satan was showing God all time in an instant then Satan would have been showing Him Christ, Himself, taking up His eternal possession of all kingdoms and Satan in the lake of fire stripped of all the merely temporary authority he ever had been granted by Christ Himself over any kingdom

is that what he showed Him; is Satan omniscient?
 
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Who said Satan had that authority to begin with? Satan said that, but Satan always lies, so it stands to reason that Satan doesn't actually have that authority. Hypothetically speaking if Jesus accepted his tempting offer; does anyone think that Satan would have actually given it to him? Of course he wouldn't! The world and all its kingdoms belongs to God alone. It's not Satan's to give, and even if it were, he is a liar, that's his character. He was lying to Lord Jesus! Praise Jesus though, Jesus is far smarter than Satan.
 
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Jesus said Satan was the ruler. You get authority by default when you are the first to cause disorder ..sin.

Can God limit His knowledge to allow this fallen place to exist? If God is everything, wouldn't He want less knowledge of an atheist? Does this explain why bad things happen here? We give God full knowledge of ourselves when we let Him work through us.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
You get authority by default
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no.


there is no authority except from God,
and the authorities existing are appointed by God
(Romans 13:1)

Jesus answered,
Thou wouldest have no authority against Me,
if it were not having been given thee from above
(John 19:11)​
 
posthuman

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pittsburghjoe said:
We give God full knowledge of ourselves
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no.

God knows all things at all times. we don't "give" God knowledge of anything;
we don't have anything we didn't receive, not even ourselves, and we don't even know ourselves fully - but God does, and He has known us since before He even formed us. He's not some kind of blind bumbling creator; He knows exactly what He has made and made it for His purpose - even you. He made you. He knows all about you without you 'allowing Him' to peek.
 
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Does it say something that quantum effects can happen in living bodies ..but if we tried to do the same thing, with similar warm and wet conditions, it wouldn't work?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Does it say something that quantum effects can happen in living bodies ..but if we tried to do the same thing, with similar warm and wet conditions, it wouldn't work?
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what are you talking about? do what?

pittsburghjoe said:
God can create everything ..but He can't be it also?
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do you believe everything is god?
 
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Maybe the Holy Spirit is? If God is light, He is Electromagnetism. Quantum Electrodynamics uses EM for everything.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Maybe the Holy Spirit is? If God is light, He is Electromagnetism. Quantum Electrodynamics uses EM for everything.
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God is Spirit. Spirit is neither matter nor energy, for both matter and energy are created things and, according to Einstein's theorem, are interchangeable.
 
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Even if God is everything ..that is a wave. He had to become a decohered Man to free us from Satan's claim on us.
 
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Even if God is everything ..that is a wave. He had to become a decohered Man to free us from Satan's claim on us.
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physicality is not decoherence. decoherence is variable phase differential over a time interval. that applies to both baryonic & non-baryonic matter as they are ((both)) described by a de Broglie wave.
 
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posthuman said:
physicality is not decoherence. decoherence is variable phase differential over a time interval. that applies to both baryonic & non-baryonic matter as they are ((both)) described by a de Broglie wave.
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"coherence" in QM jargon ((which does not share the literary definition)) means invariant phase difference over a time interval. it is applied both to particle-like & non-particle like phenomena. it is only a descriptor that has definition when talking about an n-tuple.

if you wish to press an analogy, since Christ and the Father are One, and He does nothing but what the Father sent Him to do, He is not and never was nor ever will be 'decoherent' -- He is 100% 'coherent' over every possible time interval when viewed as a pair with the Father.
 
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I think he was coherent after raising. He had to be decoherent to fulfil what He was here to do.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
God is light
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God is not photonic light.
God is uncreated. photons are part of the physical created universe

He created the physical universe and called it very good, Genesis 1
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
He had to be decoherent to fulfil what He was here to do.
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no.

decoherence is not sin. decoherence is not physicality. material existence is not sin.

your theology is gnostic heresy and your physics is rubbish.
 
pittsburghjoe

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"made Him to be sin" means something. Open your eyes.
How do you forgive sin with death without being involved with it?
 
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