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This is why I believe that the Sabbath was instituted as a shadow/type, for now we find our rest in Christ. It is not specific to any day as it once was, when even to carry a pin in your pocket was considered work. How ridiculous is that? And yet that is the lengths legalists will go in attempting to force others to "keep" the Sabbath, and condemn them if they don't. Jesus Himself was accused of breaking the Sabbath. The religious leaders sought to kill Him because of it. Now we get people coming here (to this site) saying such ridiculous things as, "It is breaking a commandment to worship God on Sunday." The fact of the matter is, there is no such commandment. The fact of the matter is, worshiping God every day is recommended. The fact of the matter is, God desires those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
Matthew 11:28-30
Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
Matthew 11:28-30
Dear Friend,
Since you're responding to my quote, I feel that you are grouping me with the legalists--I think maybe you haven't read the rest of my posts in which I say the Sabbath is not a burden--it is not a legal requirement, no more than "You shall have no other god's before me" and all the rest of the 10 Commandments--we believe we should keep those, why then not the Sabbath? This was Satan's doing through his agent, the Roman Catholic Church-so many things in our Protestant Denominations came from them.
Jesus said, "Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.' --so it is a good thing God has given us. Again, as I've said several times in my other post-the Sabbath is not a burden to be borne. It is a day to rest, to remember God's Creation--that it is COMPLETED, which points to Christ's finished work on the cross, and ultimately, the final Sabbath Rest when we go to be with the Lord for eternity. My belief in this in no way aligns with SDA or any other legalistic Adventist doctrine.
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It is important to understand that it 'sums' up all the rest of the Commands--it does not 'do away' or 'replace them'.
If I give a talk and then give a summary at the end--that is simply wrapping up all I said before in a more succinct package--it doesn't in any way negate what I said.
My new found belief in honoring the Sabbath, along with all the rest of the 10 Commandments is vastly different than legalism; I am in no way supporting SDA's or any other legalistic denomination. "The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath."
If I give a talk and then give a summary at the end--that is simply wrapping up all I said before in a more succinct package--it doesn't in any way negate what I said.
My new found belief in honoring the Sabbath, along with all the rest of the 10 Commandments is vastly different than legalism; I am in no way supporting SDA's or any other legalistic denomination. "The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath."
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No, dearest Laura, not grouping you with legalists... simply pointing out that
keeping the Sabbath holy, honoring the Sabbath, is not about a day, but a Person.
God's day of rest was given as a foreshadowing of how we find our rest in Christ.
There is no working at keeping the law as they did in the past and which all failed.
The Sabbath commandment was given at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel after
the Exodus from the land of Egypt. It is nowhere repeated in the New Testament.
On the other hand, SDAs insist the weekly Sabbath day is still to be observed. And
as has been pointed out, some force this to becoming a matter of salvation.
keeping the Sabbath holy, honoring the Sabbath, is not about a day, but a Person.
God's day of rest was given as a foreshadowing of how we find our rest in Christ.
There is no working at keeping the law as they did in the past and which all failed.
The Sabbath commandment was given at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel after
the Exodus from the land of Egypt. It is nowhere repeated in the New Testament.
On the other hand, SDAs insist the weekly Sabbath day is still to be observed. And
as has been pointed out, some force this to becoming a matter of salvation.
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True. They are fulfilled. The law is still God's Word, still Holy, but no longer binding or burdensome. The law was there to uncover the sins of mankind. To show how evil we truly are. So you can learn from the law but by no means bound. We are now under the law of Christ.
Galatians 3:5
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5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
We hold the Holy Spirit within that operates only within our faith not works.
Galatians 5:22-23
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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
From faith and adhering to the Spirit we see the fruit of love.
Galatians 6:2
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2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Out of love we respond to the world and fulfill the law of Christ. Such a easier burden and easier teaching.
Galatians 3:5
New International Version
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
We hold the Holy Spirit within that operates only within our faith not works.
Galatians 5:22-23
New International Version
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
From faith and adhering to the Spirit we see the fruit of love.
Galatians 6:2
New International Version
2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Out of love we respond to the world and fulfill the law of Christ. Such a easier burden and easier teaching.
Your question shows me you haven't really read anything I wrote.
What happens if I commit adultery, what happens if I covet, what happens if I don't honor my father or my mother?
Your question makes me feel like the blind man who was asked the same question repeatedly by the Pharisees after he had given them the answer!
I have repeatedly stated my stance on the Sabbath and 'summed' it up with Christ's own words: "The Sabbath was made for MAN and not man for the Sabbath." There is NO LEGALISM in honoring the Sabbath, no more than obeying the other 9 Commandments--why does everyone think it's okay to remove just that one--if one why not all the rest?
I decide to mow the lawn Saturday because I'll be out of town all week--or I cook a week's worth of meals because I know I'll be working over time the following week--it is my HEART that God is sees--not my actions. If my intent is to honor Him by resting on the Sabbath, but sometimes work -if it is an ongoing attitude of my heart to honor ALL his commands, then I believe He is pleased with that. Yes we should of course honor Him everyday, but God set aside the Sabbath as Holy as it was the day He rested from His Creation--it is a day of rest He has given to us and a constant reminder of WHO HE IS --HIS POWER, MAJESTY and GLORY--It is finished!
" For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
What happens if I commit adultery, what happens if I covet, what happens if I don't honor my father or my mother?
Your question makes me feel like the blind man who was asked the same question repeatedly by the Pharisees after he had given them the answer!
I have repeatedly stated my stance on the Sabbath and 'summed' it up with Christ's own words: "The Sabbath was made for MAN and not man for the Sabbath." There is NO LEGALISM in honoring the Sabbath, no more than obeying the other 9 Commandments--why does everyone think it's okay to remove just that one--if one why not all the rest?
I decide to mow the lawn Saturday because I'll be out of town all week--or I cook a week's worth of meals because I know I'll be working over time the following week--it is my HEART that God is sees--not my actions. If my intent is to honor Him by resting on the Sabbath, but sometimes work -if it is an ongoing attitude of my heart to honor ALL his commands, then I believe He is pleased with that. Yes we should of course honor Him everyday, but God set aside the Sabbath as Holy as it was the day He rested from His Creation--it is a day of rest He has given to us and a constant reminder of WHO HE IS --HIS POWER, MAJESTY and GLORY--It is finished!
" For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
It is by no offense I already know you are not speaking of legalism but simply saying we should keep the Sabbath as a healthy practice. I'm saying nothing happens if you do not hold your sabbath on Saturday.
Beyond that theologically we are saying that the Sabbath is no longer a specific day. If you are following God everyday, you are keeping today Holy which is the new Sabbath. You gain daily rest from legalism by resting in Christ.
Beyond that theologically we are saying that the Sabbath is no longer a specific day. If you are following God everyday, you are keeping today Holy which is the new Sabbath. You gain daily rest from legalism by resting in Christ.
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I definitely agree that Christ is our rest. But the point of the Sabbath is to literally have a day of rest--for us not to work 7 days a week. It also is a day of remembrance of God and His glorious, finished work of Creation. Look what Evolution and Humanism has done--they negate the Creation and our awesome Creator--that also happens when we 'forget' the Sabbath.
Again it has nothing to do with legalism. "The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath."--Christ is in no way doing away with the Sabbath with these words--He is instead saying don't to become legalistic about it.
The Mosaic Law was given specifically to the Israelites--the Law is not the same as the Commandments. In fact, in 100's of other languages Saturday is called 'Sabbath'. The 10 Commandments are what Christ said we are to keep. " “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” --John 14:15
I have just come to this realization--though it was there all the time--when I simply asked myself the question, "Why do we keep 9 of the Commandments, but not honoring the Sabbath?"
I searched and could find nothing in Scripture. In fact if you look in Acts, large assemblies were on Saturday in the synagogues with both Jews and Gentiles. Why do we now meet on Sunday? It's fine to meet on Sunday if people want, but why the large assembly on Sunday? Because Constantine changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, while the rest of Christendom still honored the Sabbath as a day of rest. Of course the believers of the first century met every day--we are far from that pattern now.
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The following is a brief summary of the rest we enjoy in Christ.
Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
The word "rest" in this context is "sabbath," which is different from the word "rest" in previous verses. "Sabbatismos, sab-bat-os-mos', a sabbatism—the repose of Christianity, says Strong's numerical Greek dictionary. "Repose" is a feeling of serenity or tranquility that comes over us when we put our complete trust in Jesus. Sowing seeds of the Word is therefore seven days a week and not just one day that is set aside. In other words, all days are set aside for Christ. We find rest in Christ because He is the source of our rest. We become one with Christ when we accept Him as our Savior, and He becomes our Shabbat.
Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
The word "rest" in this context is "sabbath," which is different from the word "rest" in previous verses. "Sabbatismos, sab-bat-os-mos', a sabbatism—the repose of Christianity, says Strong's numerical Greek dictionary. "Repose" is a feeling of serenity or tranquility that comes over us when we put our complete trust in Jesus. Sowing seeds of the Word is therefore seven days a week and not just one day that is set aside. In other words, all days are set aside for Christ. We find rest in Christ because He is the source of our rest. We become one with Christ when we accept Him as our Savior, and He becomes our Shabbat.
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Yes, but then they add the "Investigative Judgment" which determines if you are "worthy" to be resurrected or raptured.
"The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent."
https://www.adventist.org/christs-ministry-in-the-heavenly-sanctuary/
But the Bible makes it clear that it is only on the basis of the worthiness of Christ that we are either resurrected or raptured. How would anyone truly know if they are "worthy" for salvation? It is only by the grace of God that sinners are saved. If it were based upon His justice, none would be saved.
"The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent."
https://www.adventist.org/christs-ministry-in-the-heavenly-sanctuary/
But the Bible makes it clear that it is only on the basis of the worthiness of Christ that we are either resurrected or raptured. How would anyone truly know if they are "worthy" for salvation? It is only by the grace of God that sinners are saved. If it were based upon His justice, none would be saved.
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I believe that God will hold each of us accountable for the truth and light that we know. If someone has given their life to God and accepted Jesus as their Savior and was taught to go to church on Sunday and it's the only thing they know and live in Jesus I see no reason why they wouldn't be in heaven. But if you were raised believing that Saturday the 7thd day is the Sabbath then that is the day you should worship and continue to trust in God and the grace that is offered you from Jesus sacrifice. No reason that person should not be in heaven also.
The only time I believe the 7th day Sabbath comes to the forefront is when Man issues a mandate and says if you don't worship on a certain day of the week as in a Sunday law and if you worship on another day as in 7thd day Sabbath you will be put to death. Then I must obey God rather than man as the 10 commandments clearly point out that the 7thd day is the day to worship. Which was given to us at the end of creation week and put under importance by being placed as the 4th commandment in the 10 that God wrote on stone with His own finger starting it with the word REMEMBER.
The only time I believe the 7th day Sabbath comes to the forefront is when Man issues a mandate and says if you don't worship on a certain day of the week as in a Sunday law and if you worship on another day as in 7thd day Sabbath you will be put to death. Then I must obey God rather than man as the 10 commandments clearly point out that the 7thd day is the day to worship. Which was given to us at the end of creation week and put under importance by being placed as the 4th commandment in the 10 that God wrote on stone with His own finger starting it with the word REMEMBER.
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At the end when Jesus comes there will only be two groups of people. Those who believe and accept Jesus as their Savior and those who don't. So you could enter any denominational name you would like in group one or two. As there are believers and non believers in both groups.
Even Jesus said the sinners, (tax collectors and prostitutes) are entering into heaven before the religious leaders of his time....
Matthew 21:30-32
Amplified Bible
30 Then the man came to the second son and said the same thing; and he replied, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of the father?” The chief priests and elders replied, “The first one.” Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you [walking] in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even change your mind afterward and believe him [accepting what he proclaimed to you].
Even Jesus said the sinners, (tax collectors and prostitutes) are entering into heaven before the religious leaders of his time....
Matthew 21:30-32
Amplified Bible
30 Then the man came to the second son and said the same thing; and he replied, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of the father?” The chief priests and elders replied, “The first one.” Jesus said to them, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you [walking] in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even change your mind afterward and believe him [accepting what he proclaimed to you].
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This is where they get the idea of the judgement from the following verses.
This is more of showing the reasons why someone was saved or not as the deeds are shown and the choices that each person has made.... The choice to choose God and accept Jesus as their personal Savior or the choice to follow their own way and not accept Jesus. The daily choices we make shows the world whether we have accepted Jesus or not. That is why we must pray daily for God's Holy Spirit to come into our hearts and do the work that only Jesus can do for us.
This is more of showing the reasons why someone was saved or not as the deeds are shown and the choices that each person has made.... The choice to choose God and accept Jesus as their personal Savior or the choice to follow their own way and not accept Jesus. The daily choices we make shows the world whether we have accepted Jesus or not. That is why we must pray daily for God's Holy Spirit to come into our hearts and do the work that only Jesus can do for us.
- Daniel 7:10
“A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; A thousand thousands were attending Him, And ten thousand times ten thousand were standing before Him; The court was seated, And the books were opened.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
- Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth].
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If you continue to allow God to teach you which is what it sounds like you are doing. He will lead you to the truth and He is the best teacher I have ever had.
For years I struggled with salvation as I always felt lost and I cried out to God and said to Him. I can't do it I can't keep the 10 commandments. I can't be holy as you are holy or perfect. God answered me and said you are right Darlene you can't do it. But that's why my Son Jesus died for your sins. Because I no longer look at you but I look at His perfect life instead He paid the price for you.
I started crying like a baby and said it is just that simple and He said yes. For the first time in my life I understood and it was God who helped me to understand... So you are on the right track in praying and asking God to help you find the answers because He will turn away no one who is searching for truth with all their hearts...
So continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies and you will find that the Sabbath has not been changed and in Isaiah it says we will worship from one sabbath to the next.
Isaiah 66:23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
If you read the whole chapter you will find it is talking about after Jesus has come.
For years I struggled with salvation as I always felt lost and I cried out to God and said to Him. I can't do it I can't keep the 10 commandments. I can't be holy as you are holy or perfect. God answered me and said you are right Darlene you can't do it. But that's why my Son Jesus died for your sins. Because I no longer look at you but I look at His perfect life instead He paid the price for you.
I started crying like a baby and said it is just that simple and He said yes. For the first time in my life I understood and it was God who helped me to understand... So you are on the right track in praying and asking God to help you find the answers because He will turn away no one who is searching for truth with all their hearts...
So continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you in your studies and you will find that the Sabbath has not been changed and in Isaiah it says we will worship from one sabbath to the next.
Isaiah 66:23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
If you read the whole chapter you will find it is talking about after Jesus has come.
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The Bible says there will be a judgement.
- Daniel 7:10
“A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; A thousand thousands were attending Him, And ten thousand times ten thousand were standing before Him; The court was seated, And the books were opened.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
- Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth].