It's no longer considered a cult because they ascribe to all the main tenants of the faith. They are no more a cult than churches that follow John Calvin or John Darby or believe in and teach false doctrine--which ALL denominations do. Non-denominations leave what they believe vague to gather more customers.. er...congregants. The reason I wouldn't attend a 7th day Adventist church is because they emphasize the Sabbath as if it is a point of faith--in a legalistic way--and of course because they have not denounced Ellen White as a false prophet.
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Matthew 5:17
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Where are we instructed to keep the Sabbath in the NT? Paul especially mentions that the church should not stumble over which days we consider Holy.
Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Where are we instructed to keep the Sabbath in the NT? Paul especially mentions that the church should not stumble over which days we consider Holy.
Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
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1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1 Corinthians 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1 Corinthians 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
Thank you Jesus!!!
1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1 Corinthians 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1 Corinthians 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
Thank you Jesus!!!
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We still live to keep the Sabbath but the Sabbath is now everyday of the week.
Hebrews 4:6-11
New International Version
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[a]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[b] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
We pick up our crosses daily.
Hebrews 4:6-11
New International Version
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[a]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[b] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
We pick up our crosses daily.
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Nothing you have here supports not obeying God's command to Honor the Sabbath. He sanctified it!
Romans 14 is about how to handle a weaker brother... in it says 'a' sabbath day--those were special days, like Holidays not THE Sabbath Day.
You say "where are we instructed to keep the Sabbath?" So are you saying Jesus did not say to keep the commandments? Are you saying we do not need to obey the other nine commandments? Christ said plainly if you love me "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." He did not say ten minus one of the Commandments he said THE COMMANDMENTS. He even added to those:
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."--John 13:34
Why would anyone not want to honor the Sabbath and keep it Holy? It is a day of rest given to us and sanctified by God--God's work of Creation was COMPLETED, which points to Christ's finished work on the cross and ultimately to the FINAL SABBATH REST when Christ comes again--it is not a burden to bear--as Christ said, 'Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.'
Romans 14 is about how to handle a weaker brother... in it says 'a' sabbath day--those were special days, like Holidays not THE Sabbath Day.
You say "where are we instructed to keep the Sabbath?" So are you saying Jesus did not say to keep the commandments? Are you saying we do not need to obey the other nine commandments? Christ said plainly if you love me "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." He did not say ten minus one of the Commandments he said THE COMMANDMENTS. He even added to those:
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."--John 13:34
Why would anyone not want to honor the Sabbath and keep it Holy? It is a day of rest given to us and sanctified by God--God's work of Creation was COMPLETED, which points to Christ's finished work on the cross and ultimately to the FINAL SABBATH REST when Christ comes again--it is not a burden to bear--as Christ said, 'Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.'
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"All we like sheep are led astray."--the majority of churches do not follow the teaching of the gospel or the model of the first century church. Every single denomination has twisted the scriptures in someway with false doctrine,
"Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them."--Acts 20:30
This had already begun in the first century, while many of the apostles were still living--can you imagine how much worse it is now?
And nearly all non-denominational churches are focused on MAN and saying what "his itching ears want to hear" -- rather than the gospel. And they are run more like a business than a fellowship.
Matthew 19
Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only
One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “ ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear
false witness, 19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Mark 10
19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not
steal, do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.’”
Luke 18
20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not
steal, do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.’”
Does anyone think Jesus simply forgot to mention keeping the Sabbath?
Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only
One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “ ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear
false witness, 19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Mark 10
19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not
steal, do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.’”
Luke 18
20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not
steal, do not bear false witness, do not cheat others, honor your father and mother.’”
Does anyone think Jesus simply forgot to mention keeping the Sabbath?
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Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Psalms 118:21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
Psalms 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
Psalms 118:23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
Psalms 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Psalms 118:25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
Psalms 118:26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
Thank you Jesus!!!
Psalms 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
Psalms 118:23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
Psalms 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Psalms 118:25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
Psalms 118:26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
Thank you Jesus!!!
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The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,”
and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Romans 13:9
Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do
to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.
Romans 13:10
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After seeing four were missing I looked it up and found this article:
Why did Christ mention only six of the Ten Commandments, in Matthew 19:16-19?
Does this mean the others were done away? No! King David said, “all of His commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever…” (Psa. 111:7-8). Christ, as God of the Old Testament (I Cor. 10:4), also stated, “I am the Lord, I change not” (Mal. 3:6).
Because Christ was speaking to a Jew, he had to clarify of which commandments he was speaking. By citing some of the Ten Commandments, He clarified that He was speaking about God’s commands, not the commands of the Sanhedrin (the Jewish “Supreme Court”).
To clarify this further, look at which commandments He did state: “You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Christ wanted to reassert to the listener the importance of loving his neighbor (Matt. 19:22). The rich man’s refusal to use his wealth to help others proved that he needed a lesson in these principles.
One should also note the commandments that Christ did not directly mention: “You shall have no other gods before me…You shall not make unto you any graven image…You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain…Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy…You shall not covet…” (Ex. 20:3-8, 17).
Because Christ did not directly refer to these commandments, is it alright to break them? For instance, is it acceptable to worship other gods? To swear, break the Sabbath or covet? The answer: of course not!
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I think that there are some people that ended up with the SDA that have been misled by a seeming 'truth', and may be saved. However, I also believe that if one is saved, then the Holy Ghost would guide them to see the truth about the SDA church. However, I do believe that most SDA members are unsaved, because they teach a works-based salvation. I regularly share the gospel with strangers, and most times that I've encountered an Seventh-Day Adventist, the conversation has initially gone down to whether we are saved by our faith or our works.
It can be deceiving because they will start out by giving all the right answers. However, I have found that as you dig deeper you find more and more unbiblical and strange beliefs. Their strongest and most fiercely defended is the Sabbath. They believe that those who do not worship on Sabbath (basically anyone who worships on Sunday) has the mark of the beast on them and cannot be saved.
https://www.bible.ca/7-mark-beast.htm
They also believe that Jesus died for all sins EXCEPT for not keeping the Sabbath. This is a heresy, because the bible clearly states that Jesus died for ALL the sins of the world (My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:1-2).
The saddest thing about the SDA church is that they seem to be so zealous about God's commandments and following Him, when they are only leading people away from God and bringing themselves down as well.
It can be deceiving because they will start out by giving all the right answers. However, I have found that as you dig deeper you find more and more unbiblical and strange beliefs. Their strongest and most fiercely defended is the Sabbath. They believe that those who do not worship on Sabbath (basically anyone who worships on Sunday) has the mark of the beast on them and cannot be saved.
https://www.bible.ca/7-mark-beast.htm
They also believe that Jesus died for all sins EXCEPT for not keeping the Sabbath. This is a heresy, because the bible clearly states that Jesus died for ALL the sins of the world (My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:1-2).
The saddest thing about the SDA church is that they seem to be so zealous about God's commandments and following Him, when they are only leading people away from God and bringing themselves down as well.
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Again where is the command repeated in the NT?
Romans 14:5 speaks on sacred days. Is the Sabbath sacred?
This is not about obeying as we are given commands in a none legalistic sense which you agree.
We are in that final sabbath rest. For the redeemed we are in that rest as we are sealed for what is to come.
Romans 14:5 speaks on sacred days. Is the Sabbath sacred?
This is not about obeying as we are given commands in a none legalistic sense which you agree.
We are in that final sabbath rest. For the redeemed we are in that rest as we are sealed for what is to come.
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