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I see this being overlooked by MANY, so I'll just say it here as a point for all.
After Jesus' resurrection, as Jesus was sending his disciples to baptize, Jesus told them YOU are being given the power to REMIT OTHER PEOPLE'S SINS and if YOU don't remit THEIR sins then those people's sins REMAIN.
John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
The baptizer is REMITTING the sins of the baptizee in the name of Jesus!
And thank you Jesus that you see it when you read it, even if you deny it a moment later and return to your previous doctrine(s).
People overlook or reject this truth because it is at enmity with any doctrine that claims water baptism isn't necessary.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
After Jesus' resurrection, as Jesus was sending his disciples to baptize, Jesus told them YOU are being given the power to REMIT OTHER PEOPLE'S SINS and if YOU don't remit THEIR sins then those people's sins REMAIN.
John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
The baptizer is REMITTING the sins of the baptizee in the name of Jesus!
And thank you Jesus that you see it when you read it, even if you deny it a moment later and return to your previous doctrine(s).
People overlook or reject this truth because it is at enmity with any doctrine that claims water baptism isn't necessary.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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And you were wrong all of those times.
It is the baptism of GOD which brings remission f sin. The baptism in water unto remission is because we have received remission of sin. Remembering Peter gave that command to be baptised ONLY to those induviduals who repented and recieved the spirit already
It is the baptism of GOD which brings remission f sin. The baptism in water unto remission is because we have received remission of sin. Remembering Peter gave that command to be baptised ONLY to those induviduals who repented and recieved the spirit already
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It is a contradiction no matter how you slice it
You don;t tell someone they cant do anything to be saved. Then in the next breath tell them they must do something.
They will look at you funny (hopefully) and walk away if you do. Or maybe, better yet. Try to tell you how contradictory you are.
You don;t tell someone they cant do anything to be saved. Then in the next breath tell them they must do something.
They will look at you funny (hopefully) and walk away if you do. Or maybe, better yet. Try to tell you how contradictory you are.
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Only if they accept the gospel to the point of submission TO it. The gospel includes repentance (change of heart) and baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. That last part has to be done by a man sent of God, Hence the admonition:
John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins YE remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins YE RETAIN, they are retained.
No man can "accept the gospel" FOR another to the remission of sins. Jesus is talking about water baptism. It's just being spoken in a way that clarifies the function it performs (spiritually) rather than the action you see (physically). Therefore:
1 Corinthians 3:5 KJV
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
John 20:23 KJV
Whose soever sins YE remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins YE RETAIN, they are retained.
No man can "accept the gospel" FOR another to the remission of sins. Jesus is talking about water baptism. It's just being spoken in a way that clarifies the function it performs (spiritually) rather than the action you see (physically). Therefore:
"How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" - Romans 10:15
A person CANNOT believe the gospel to the point of fully submitting to it without submitting to a minister sent by GOD (not man) for the purpose of Baptism for remission of sins....and submitting to GOD himself to receive the Holy Ghost.1 Corinthians 3:5 KJV
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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Circumcision was not something the jews did to themselves. But it was called a work of righteousness.
You are physically doing something. In jesus day peole had to walk miles to find a body of water to be baptized. Many were baptized in cold water because of the weather and where they were.
Believe you me, many boasted of their baptism. We know people boasted of WHO baptised them’
Your still replacing the baptism performed by God with the baptism performed by man.
That is blasphemy my friend. It is just as bad as saying Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan
You are physically doing something. In jesus day peole had to walk miles to find a body of water to be baptized. Many were baptized in cold water because of the weather and where they were.
Believe you me, many boasted of their baptism. We know people boasted of WHO baptised them’
Your still replacing the baptism performed by God with the baptism performed by man.
That is blasphemy my friend. It is just as bad as saying Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan
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Yep
And he NEVER said water was Baptism
If you continue to read. Jesus told nicodemus HOW to be born again.
As Moses lifted the serpent so must the son of man be lifted. That whoever BELIEVES IN HIM shall never perish but have eternal life (born again) for God so loved the world he gave his holy begotten son that whoever BELIEVES in him shall never perish but have eternal life (born again) for God did not send the son to judge but that the world may be saved. He who BELIEVES is not condemned, he who does NOT BELIEVE is condemned already because they have nt believes.
Funny, all these places to add baptism to his words if it was require Yet not ONCE did he mention it. Because water does NOT equal water baptism.
You will need to find another area my friend. God is not the author of confusion. If he meant water baptism was require. He would have told nicodemus right then and there.
And he NEVER said water was Baptism
If you continue to read. Jesus told nicodemus HOW to be born again.
As Moses lifted the serpent so must the son of man be lifted. That whoever BELIEVES IN HIM shall never perish but have eternal life (born again) for God so loved the world he gave his holy begotten son that whoever BELIEVES in him shall never perish but have eternal life (born again) for God did not send the son to judge but that the world may be saved. He who BELIEVES is not condemned, he who does NOT BELIEVE is condemned already because they have nt believes.
Funny, all these places to add baptism to his words if it was require Yet not ONCE did he mention it. Because water does NOT equal water baptism.
You will need to find another area my friend. God is not the author of confusion. If he meant water baptism was require. He would have told nicodemus right then and there.
the gospel promises to make us obedient because we believe it , it’s not just presenting commands , it’s writing those Cannes within our center at the core upon our living conscience
it’s true obedience is important , but faith has to come first that’s what compels is to act believing his instruction , will bring the promised blessing that corresponds
God is truly telling us to act in what he has taught us in the gospel but it’s a word of promise that occurs through believing and then doing from that position of believing the word of him who saved us , and the corresponding blessing
“ whoever believes the gospel and is baptized , shall be saved “
Be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ , and ye shall receive remission of sins
I have told you these things , and you will be blessed of you do them
“ I’m going to flood the earth Noah , build an ark you will be saved and I will make a covenant with you and your family
leave your homeland Abram and go to a place I will show you later , and I will bless you d through you shall all nations be blessed
There’s always an instruction to obey , but the power is when we begin to believe the resulting promise that always appears
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”
Luke 6:35 KJV
“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:36-38 KJV
If we focus on just the instructions and don’t believe the resulting blessing in this case “ get baptized in Christs name , and you will receive remission of sins “
Then we’re looking at it like Israel’s children did the commands alone seem like rules and regulations until we realize the command is always the opening of the door for the promised blessing
it’s true obedience is important , but faith has to come first that’s what compels is to act believing his instruction , will bring the promised blessing that corresponds
God is truly telling us to act in what he has taught us in the gospel but it’s a word of promise that occurs through believing and then doing from that position of believing the word of him who saved us , and the corresponding blessing
“ whoever believes the gospel and is baptized , shall be saved “
Be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ , and ye shall receive remission of sins
I have told you these things , and you will be blessed of you do them
“ I’m going to flood the earth Noah , build an ark you will be saved and I will make a covenant with you and your family
leave your homeland Abram and go to a place I will show you later , and I will bless you d through you shall all nations be blessed
There’s always an instruction to obey , but the power is when we begin to believe the resulting promise that always appears
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”
Luke 6:35 KJV
“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:36-38 KJV
If we focus on just the instructions and don’t believe the resulting blessing in this case “ get baptized in Christs name , and you will receive remission of sins “
Then we’re looking at it like Israel’s children did the commands alone seem like rules and regulations until we realize the command is always the opening of the door for the promised blessing
So the blood of Christ is ineffectual unless you are dunked? You must have another Bible, because none of mine claim that. I got born again before I knew anything about baptism. I knew my sins were forgiven. It was the greatest moment of my life. I eventually was baptised because I could see that it was a necessary step of obedience. But to say that baptism is fundamental to being born again is not scriptural.
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Not that I have high hopes that you'll agree, but he had already mentioned the spirit baptism in the verse before. Prior to asking God about that one, I'd thought it couldn't mean anything but the same thing you do.
Ephesians 4:4-5 KJV
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
And thanks for the 'friend' comment, even if you were only using it as a figure of speech. *Philippians 4:8 & Philippians 1:8)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Ephesians 4:4-5 KJV
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
And thanks for the 'friend' comment, even if you were only using it as a figure of speech. *Philippians 4:8 & Philippians 1:8)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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“But to say that baptism is fundamental to being born again is not scriptural”
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
this should be enough for believers in Christ but let’s follow the scripture forward through Peter and Paul and see if it remains scriptural the true and relevant
Peter to his fellow Jews
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
Peter sent to his fellow Gentiles
“And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:45, 47-48 KJV
Okay to baptize on Paul’s name ? Was Paul baptized when he was converted to the church after he saw the light ?
“And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.”
Acts 9:18 KJV
is Paul’s name sufficient ?
“Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.”
1 Corinthians 1:13-15 KJV
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5
He Paul , teaches actual chapters of doctrine about what it means for us to be baptized into christs name here are a couple excerpts
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
Romans 6:3 KJV
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
without lol ting tonthe several other repetitive examples in scripture I think it seems to be pretty scriptieat sound and there doesn’t seem to be an example elsewise or any word saying” baptism isn’t necassary “ or baptism faded away after Jesus rose “ or any such even inkling of a thought in scripture
it’s faith when we don’t try to figure out why the things God has plainly shown and given us as a gift don’t apply but what if we believes the promise resulting from it ?
“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,”
What if we just became believers of what’s there and didn’t try to always explain it away and make what’s plain promises of Christ Jesus to believers , irrelevant of less than what he said always
Who wouldn’t want a promise from God that of we take upon our souls the name of Jesus Christ , by a simple act of believing and acting in that belief , they would have Gods promise of remission of thier sins ?
Seems like this has already been shown several times by others and it just becomes a matter of who is willing to believe and trust what the lord has plainly shown in the wide open and spread the same doctrine to every corner of the earth
even the foreigners from other lands didn’t seem to want to “prove “ why the things in scripture aren’t necassary
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
even a prior sorcerer who believed
“Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
Acts 8:13
even a foreign eunuch didn’t see a problem with it but wanted it because he believed
“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:37-38 KJV
when we read books and hear preachers that base thier whole doctrine on ideas like “ grace means there’s no work or action you need to act In ever your saved anyways “
all it does is just causes the bearers to end up rejecting the thkngs that are actually in scripture , and causing them to err when if we just believes ourselves and shared that we could be helping them enter into their salvation according to scripture
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
this should be enough for believers in Christ but let’s follow the scripture forward through Peter and Paul and see if it remains scriptural the true and relevant
Peter to his fellow Jews
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
Peter sent to his fellow Gentiles
“And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:45, 47-48 KJV
Okay to baptize on Paul’s name ? Was Paul baptized when he was converted to the church after he saw the light ?
“And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.”
Acts 9:18 KJV
is Paul’s name sufficient ?
“Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.”
1 Corinthians 1:13-15 KJV
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5
He Paul , teaches actual chapters of doctrine about what it means for us to be baptized into christs name here are a couple excerpts
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
Romans 6:3 KJV
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
without lol ting tonthe several other repetitive examples in scripture I think it seems to be pretty scriptieat sound and there doesn’t seem to be an example elsewise or any word saying” baptism isn’t necassary “ or baptism faded away after Jesus rose “ or any such even inkling of a thought in scripture
it’s faith when we don’t try to figure out why the things God has plainly shown and given us as a gift don’t apply but what if we believes the promise resulting from it ?
“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,”
What if we just became believers of what’s there and didn’t try to always explain it away and make what’s plain promises of Christ Jesus to believers , irrelevant of less than what he said always
Who wouldn’t want a promise from God that of we take upon our souls the name of Jesus Christ , by a simple act of believing and acting in that belief , they would have Gods promise of remission of thier sins ?
Seems like this has already been shown several times by others and it just becomes a matter of who is willing to believe and trust what the lord has plainly shown in the wide open and spread the same doctrine to every corner of the earth
even the foreigners from other lands didn’t seem to want to “prove “ why the things in scripture aren’t necassary
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
even a prior sorcerer who believed
“Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
Acts 8:13
even a foreign eunuch didn’t see a problem with it but wanted it because he believed
“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:37-38 KJV
when we read books and hear preachers that base thier whole doctrine on ideas like “ grace means there’s no work or action you need to act In ever your saved anyways “
all it does is just causes the bearers to end up rejecting the thkngs that are actually in scripture , and causing them to err when if we just believes ourselves and shared that we could be helping them enter into their salvation according to scripture
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