Saved by faith alone?

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lrs68

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Here is the passage:

9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called the name of that place, “The Lord will provide”;[b] as it is said to this day, “On the mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”[c]

15 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his[d] enemies, 18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”

A. for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son
B. because you have done this
C. I will surely bless you

Abraham obeyed God because Abraham believed the One who spoke to him would fulfill His part of the promise as long as Abraham did the same.
If you believe that Abraham did what he did because God "saved" him, please quote your verse.
Also, surmising is not quoting.
Do you believe that before God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son God already knew what Abraham would do?

Because if you believe God knew beforehand then your post makes no sense.
 

Lamar

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He is now so it's a mute point because we know that the Captives have been set free.
Regardless if it is a moot point, was Abraham "saved" simply because of his belief that God would fulfill His promise? Was Abraham's obedience in anyway part of God's plan?
 

lrs68

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Regardless if it is a moot point, was Abraham "saved" simply because of his belief that God would fulfill His promise? Was Abraham's obedience in anyway part of God's plan?
God chose Abraham to be the father of many nations so God already knew what Abraham would do before Abraham knew what he would do.
 

Lamar

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Do you believe that before God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son God already knew what Abraham would do?

Because if you believe God knew beforehand then your post makes no sense.
Regardless of what you or I think, this is the verbiage used in the Bible.

A. for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son
B. because you have done this
C. I will surely bless you

God knows all things, past, present and future. But this does not allow us to ignore what is clearly written in scripture.
I will admit that there are things I don't fully understand but "because you have done this" is rather clear.
 
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He is now so it's a mute point because we know that the Captives have been set free.
Agree, but Abraham's works justified himself before God.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

After the cross, the believer is not justified by works, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 

John146

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And abraham believed God and God accredited (or accounted, or attributed him) righteousness. m
What was it that Abraham believed? That through him, a great nation would come and that all the earth would be blessed through this nation? Did Abraham believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of his sins? You know, the gospel unto salvation...is there another way unto salvation?
 

Kroogz

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And abraham believed God and God accredited (or accounted, or attributed him) righteousness. m
Actually, Genesis 15 is pointing back to a time even earlier than this.

Acts 7:2
And Stephen said, “Listen to me, brothers and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,

Genesis 11:31
And Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai the wife of Abram, and they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans for the land of Canaan. But when they arrived in Haran, they settled there.

It really is faith alone in Christ alone.
 
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What was it that Abraham believed? That through him, a great nation would come and that all the earth would be blessed through this nation? Did Abraham believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of his sins? You know, the gospel unto salvation...is there another way unto salvation?
It says he believe in God. He had faith, and his faith was accounted as righteousness

And paul said we will be saved by that same faith

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
 
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Actually, Genesis 15 is pointing back to a time even earlier than this.

Acts 7:2
And Stephen said, “Listen to me, brothers and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,

Genesis 11:31
And Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai the wife of Abram, and they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans for the land of Canaan. But when they arrived in Haran, they settled there.

It really is faith alone in Christ alone.
Gen 3 is a moment in time

Abraham believed God at that time, and God accounted it to him as righteousness.

It is grace alone, through faith - God will not force it on you
 

John146

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It says he believe in God. He had faith, and his faith was accounted as righteousness

And paul said we will be saved by that same faith

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Did Abraham hear how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day? Can having faith in another message bring salvation?
 

John146

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Gen 3 is a moment in time

Abraham believed God at that time, and God accounted it to him as righteousness.

It is grace alone, through faith - God will not force it on you
Taking a NT truth and applying that truth to the OT is not good bible study. Rightly divide the word of truth.
 

John146

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Gen 3 is a moment in time

Abraham believed God at that time, and God accounted it to him as righteousness.

It is grace alone, through faith - God will not force it on you
Was Abraham present with the Lord upon death? Abraham was "safe" from God's wrath, but he was not eternally saved as you and I after the cross.