Salvation is for the Whole World

[glf]

The inspired scriptures are for the purpose of instructing God's born again children how he wants them to live their lives, as they sojourn here on earth. There will be no purpose for them to be in heaven. There will be singing in heaven, but there will not be any preaching, or praying.

I'm stunned to hear you say that there will be no purpose for the scripture in heaven. If that were true, I don't see the Lord making them eternal. The scriptures, both the OT and the NT, the faithful are all that will cross over from this world to the next. So, when we get to heaven, will the Lord force each of us to love one another as he does, no matter what we were like before we died or were raptured? Otherwise, we'll need to be able to grow because I doubt that even one single person loves others as the Lord does.
We are told in scripture, no more shall any man say unto his brother or say to his neighbor, know the Lord, for they shall know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them. So, I can see the no preaching statement, but yikes at no prayer.
If heaven will only be idyllic bliss without challenge, then why are the leaves on the tree of life for the healing of nations?
The truth is; eye hasn't seen, ear hasn't heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, those things that God has prepared.

 

[Underwhosewings]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is part of the new birth (Isaiah 63:11).

God bless you Forest.
That is a beautiful chapter.
The term “born again” is New Testament.
Scripture does not “split hairs” about this.

 

[Underwhosewings]

I'm stunned to hear you say that there will be no purpose for the scripture in heaven. If that were true, I don't see the Lord making them eternal. The scriptures, both the OT and the NT, the faithful are all that will cross over from this world to the next. So, when we get to heaven, will the Lord force each of us to love one another as he does, no matter what we were like before we died or were raptured? Otherwise, we'll need to be able to grow because I doubt that even one single person loves others as the Lord does.
We are told in scripture, no more shall any man say unto his brother or say to his neighbor, know the Lord, for they shall know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them. So, I can see the no preaching statement, but yikes at no prayer.
If heaven will only be idyllic bliss without challenge, then why are the leaves on the tree of life for the healing of nations?
The truth is; eye hasn't seen, ear hasn't heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, those things that God has prepared.

Revelation 20:4 KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 22:5 KJV
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Looks like a busy life after this one.
But with an immortal body, that will be fine. ☺️

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God bless you Forest.
That is a beautiful chapter.
The term “born again” is New Testament.
Scripture does not “split hairs” about this.

Then, What is your interpretation of Isaiah 63:11?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

1 Samuel 16:13-14 KJV
Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
[14] But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

Walk very close to God
Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Explain in your own words, what these scriptures mean to your understanding.

 

[Underwhosewings]

Explain in your own words, what these scriptures mean to your understanding.

Exactly what it says.
I cannot “add unto these things”
Revelation 22:18 KJV
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

[Magenta]

Hey Magenta...
I have another scripture regarding Jn 20.

In Act 1: 8, 9 KJV "But ye shall receive power after than the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me in both Jerusalem and all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight."

Yes, thank you, fortunately I happened upon this, so I can respond .

Everything in Acts did follow what had already happened in John 20 .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Exactly what it says.
I cannot “add unto these things”
Revelation 22:18 KJV
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

That is a copout to keep from explaining your misinterpretation of the scriptures.

 

[Paran]

When the born again child of God, turns away from God, and is practicing sin, they are following instructions from the devil, until they repent.
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There is an extreme difference between being the Son of God, and the Son of the Devil.

The Born again, are Sons/Daughters of God.......

The Spiritual Father of the unbeliever is "you father the devil"..

The Born again will never again have as their "father"........the devil, even if they are horrible Christians.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

There is an extreme difference between being the Son of God, and the Son of the Devil.

The Born again, are Sons/Daughters of God.......

The Spiritual Father of the unbeliever is "you father the devil"..

The Born again will never again have as their "father"........the devil, even if they are horrible Christians.

Are you saying that you have never committed a sin due to the devil's inticemet?

 

[Paran]

Are you saying that you have never committed a sin due to the devil's inticemet?

Paul is teaching this..

"God has made Jesus to BE sin for us".

Jesus is the "ONE TIME...... ETERNAL........Sacrifice for Sin">...

Born again = "your old man is Crucified with Christ".

Born again = "He that is dead, is freed from Sin".

Now read ..... 1 John 3:9 and realize that all the born again are "Made Righteousness"...."one with God"...."in Christ"..... "seated in Heavenly places".

ForestGreenCook, see all that? That is what it means to be born again.. and there is no sin found there.

When you begin to understand this, you wont ask me a question that DEFIES all i just showed you, that Paul teaches the Body of Christ.

 

[Sipsey]

Paul is teaching this..

"God has made Jesus to BE sin for us".

Jesus is the "ONE TIME...... ETERNAL........Sacrifice for Sin">...

Born again = "your old man is Crucified with Christ".

Born again = "He that is dead, is freed from Sin".

Now read ..... 1 John 3:9 and realize that all the born again are "Made Righteousness"...."one with God"...."in Christ"..... "seated in Heavenly places".

ForestGreenCook, see all that? That is what it means to be born again.. and there is no sin found there.

When you begin to understand this, you wont ask me a question that DEFIES all i just showed you, that Paul teaches the Body of Christ.

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1 John 2:1 (KJV)
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

If would be great if we never committed another sin after we confessed Christ as our Saviour. Alas, I have never met that man, and when I did, I asked could I speak to his wife.

Could you post one person, beside Jesus, that was sinless. Our sins are forgiven but there is also need for repentance.

 

[Magenta]

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1 John 2:1 (KJV)
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any
man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

If would be great if we never committed another sin after we confessed Christ as our Saviour.
Alas, I have never met that man, and when I did, I asked could I speak to his wife.

Could you post one person, beside Jesus, that was sinless.
Our sins are forgiven but there is also need for repentance.

1 John 2:1-2

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Paul is teaching this..

"God has made Jesus to BE sin for us".

Jesus is the "ONE TIME...... ETERNAL........Sacrifice for Sin">...

Born again = "your old man is Crucified with Christ".

Born again = "He that is dead, is freed from Sin".

Now read ..... 1 John 3:9 and realize that all the born again are "Made Righteousness"...."one with God"...."in Christ"..... "seated in Heavenly places".

ForestGreenCook, see all that? That is what it means to be born again.. and there is no sin found there.

When you begin to understand this, you wont ask me a question that DEFIES all i just showed you, that Paul teaches the Body of Christ.

Sorry, but your theory will not harmonize with other scriptures.

You are correct in saying that all of the sins of those that God gave to Jesus, God remembers no more, and are as far away from him as the east is from the west, as pertaining to their promise of eternal life is concerned, But the scriptures teach that while they reside here on earth, they will yield to the temptation of the devil to sin.

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

James 1:13-15, Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man, but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed, then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin, and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death=separation from God's fellowship, but not from his eternal inheritance.

 

[Paran]

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1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

There are a lot of people who actually believe that John the Apostle "had sin".
These people also believe that water washes away sin, and that Salvation can be lost.

So, free will allows you to believe what you want to believe.

Here is the thing.

Being "IN CHRIST", does not have any sin in it.., and all the born again are "In Christ".

 

[Paran]

James 1:13-15, Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, .

Temptation is not Sin.
James understood this perfectly. Why don't you, RorestGreenCook?

 

[Paran]

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Could you post one person, beside Jesus, that was sinless. Our sins are forgiven but there is also need for repentance.

"The body is dead because of sin".

"The old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

"do the dead sin"?

"being now made FREE FROM SIN, """""

So, what you are not understanding is that the CHRISTian, is not the body or the mind...... They are the "new Creation" IN Christ", and this is "made righteous"......having received "the GIFT of righteousness" and "the GIFT of Salvation". = Born again.

 

[Cameron143]

There are a lot of people who actually believe that John the Apostle "had sin".
These people also believe that water washes away sin, and that Salvation can be lost.

So, free will allows you to believe what you want to believe.

Here is the thing.

Being "IN CHRIST", does not have any sin in it.., and all the born again are "In Christ".

In Christ is where we are positionally.
Practically, we either walk in the Spirit or in the flesh. Another way to view this is walking in the light or not.

 

[Paran]

In Christ is where we are positionally.
Practically, we either walk in the Spirit or in the flesh. Another way to view this is walking in the light or not.

CHRISTianity, is Spiritual.

"born again" is spiritual.
"walking IN the SPIRIT".....is Spiritual.

Where is this found in the believer?

In their understanding of "born again".

When a person does not understand......that "" God is A Spirit"........ = God births the spirit of a believer into His Holy Spirit BY the Holy Spirit, then the person will not understand Salvation, or "the new Creation In Christ".

They will THINK of Salvation as........"Ok, God saved me, but now i have to go and do this, and keep that, and be sure i dont LOSE MY Salvation".
See that?
That is a person who is in the mind of the FLESH. In other words they are literally trying to understand Spirituality exactly as an unbeliever tries to figure it out.

And that was John CALVIN., among others.

 

[Cameron143]

CHRISTianity, is Spiritual.

"born again" is spiritual.
"walking IN the SPIRIT".....is Spiritual.

Where is this found in the believer?

In their understanding of "born again".

When a person does not understand......that "" God is A Spirit"........ = God births the spirit of a believer into His Holy Spirit BY the Holy Spirit, then the person will not understand Salvation, or "the new Creation In Christ".

They will THINK of Salvation as........"Ok, God saved me, but now i have to go and do this, and keep that, and be sure i dont LOSE MY Salvation".
See that?
That is a person who is in the mind of the FLESH. In other words they are literally trying to understand Spirituality exactly as an unbeliever tries to figure it out.

And that was John CALVIN., among others.

If Christians didn't sin, why does John say that if any man sin we are to confess our sins?