sabbath

bud62 · Jan 11, 2020

The Sabbath go's all back to creation & is not part of the Hand writing that GOD give MOSES . & it is a certain day too . GOD tell us that it is the seveneth day , SABBATH witch is our Saturday . & Hebrews tells us it's the seveneth day also . after JESUS death . GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT . The SABBATH is easy to see in the BIBLE if we study it out , I praise that HE's help me see about HIS HOLY SABBATH .

mailmandan · Jan 11, 2020

bud62 said:

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Grandpa · Jan 11, 2020

bud62 said:

Yes. It is very easy.

Genesis 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

What does sabbath mean? It means rest.

How is the sabbath a shadow of what Christ gives us? Because sabbath is only one day a week. It is a carnal rendering of a spiritual event.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

In the New Covenant, rest is given as His Gift. It is no longer a command that must be worked at every 7th day.

bud62 · Jan 11, 2020

YOU are forgetting that HE SAID the SEVENETH day . HE tells a certain day , & so does Hebrews , I can rest in trusting JESUS of paying for my sins . But HIS SABBATH is HIS HOLY day , That HE made that HE made HOLY , & it's the only day that is HOLY , &we can't make any of the other six days HOLY ,They are the six days that HE told us to work on in Exodus . BUT the SEVENETH HE tells us to keep HOLY , & I don't want to trample On HIS HOLY day , GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT .

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 11, 2020

Grandpa said:

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Grandpa, where in the Scriptures does it say that the Sabbath is what God gives us in Christ? Give me a Scripture passage that tell us that.

God gave a specific day and that was the 7th day. I respect you more if you say that the Sabbath day does not apply to the Gentiles then you trying to interpret the Scriptures to fit your view.

This is what God is saying on the Sabbath day commandment... The Sabbath day which I have giving you in the past, Remember it, to keep it holy. In other words, prior to the given the commandment the Sabbath was given at one time (verbally) and was being kept. If it was not about a certain day then your God is not the God of the Scriptures because the God of the Scripture commandment that day to continue to be kept, and judgment fell upon those who did not keep it.

How can you say that the Sabbath day is done away when judgment fell upon those to did not keep it? There is no judgment today because Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross.

Question, since you keep Sunday as the holy day, how and when did it replaced Saturday?

seed_time_harvest · Jan 11, 2020

Colossians 2:14-17
King James Version

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 11, 2020

Grandpa said:

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One more thing... God blessed that Sabbath day and set it apart as holy, so why would he do away with a day that he blessed and set apart as holy? Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say that Yeshua did away with the Sabbath day and if he did where in the Scriptures does it say that Yeshua said the Sabbath day is done away with?

seed_time_harvest · Jan 11, 2020

Works(minded)people put the flesh as most Important while saying Grace Is most Important.
GOD will not accept a sin big or small.

bud62 · Jan 11, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

Hebrews 4:4 tells us of a certain day Hebrews $: 8 Tells us that JESUS Didn't change the day & tells us that it remains , & tells us that He that entered into his rest ,he also hath hath ceased from from his own works as GOD did from HIS , Also GODs seal is in HIS LAW . Isaiah 8:16 tells us that GODs seal is in HIS LAW , Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony ,seal the law among my disciples.& it is in the forth commandment ,
1. HIS NAME LORD
2. MADE Creator , Owner
3 . HIS territory , Heaven & earth & the sea&all that in them is. Now look at the u.s.a. seal or a county seal & see that GODs is in the forth commandment ,
JESUS kept the SABBATH , HIS disciples kept the SABBATH. In fact SABBATH has been kept far more then the false sunday sabbath ,

bud62 · Jan 11, 2020

I will stand on what the BIBLE says ,I don't like being in a place or saying thing that people don't like , But I want say what GODs word says & stand alone as long as I'm standing on the word of GOD , HE will be with me . AND the SABBATH is for the gentiles , And as Abraham was a gentile also .

bud62 · Jan 11, 2020

The only LAW that has to do with time in GODs law .IS keeping the SABBATH , AND the BIBLE tells us that the man of sin will try to change times & laws & The pope or Catholic church tells you sunday is his mark 'authority He is saying that he has the power to change GODs LAW & if you are keeping sunday instead GODs SABBATH ,THen you are doing what that it says in Romans 6:16 .

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 12, 2020

bud62 said:

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The problem is that they are so stuck up with the teaching of man that they will deliberately blind themselves to what you are saying, they do this all the time. Peter was the Apostle to the Jews and Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles, and although the Apostle Paul referring to the Gentiles said except it be for 4 things, I believe he said that because he knew as they grow in the Lord they would learn the truth of God's word. The problem is that many Gentile believers rather lean to the biblical educational background of men then allowing the Spirit of God to give an understanding of God's word, what God made clear when he first spoke.

I have nothing against grandpa and I don't doubt him being a believer, but he appears to stuck to his view and would not fairly weigh what is being said. I have friends like that and when you give them questions that they can't answer they would try to escape it because they can see it, but cannot admit to it because they cannot acknowledge that the Scriptures is showing them that their view in not according to the Scriptures.

Again, I will not impose the Sabbath to the Gentiles, but I will say this, if they understand that they become part of the commonwealth of Israel they should learn to keep the Sabbath day and not complain about it, it is a perpetual everlasting covenant that God made with Israel. The Sabbath is not a burden and what God wants to see is that we keep that day holy. We are not perfect, but we need to be obedient to God's commandments and this has nothing to do with Salvation, but all to do with being obedient to God.

mailmandan · Jan 12, 2020

bud62 said:

The Word of God makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel:“ The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17) Are you an Israelite under the law in the Old Testament?

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

mailmandan · Jan 12, 2020

bud62 said:

Oh no, not that ridiculous argument!

Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

bud62 · Jan 12, 2020

SABBATH Is a day that GOD has BLESS & sanctified set aside for HOLY use ,A day set aside for us to get to know about HIM , HIS LOVE , & HIS MERCY ,GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT

SUNDOWNSAM said:

mailmandan said:

That is not true ; the SABBATH GO's back to creation , way before there was Jews , Hebrews 4: 8 tells you that JESUS didn't change the day . And Daniel 7:25 tells us that the antichrist would seek to change times & Laws , What Law has got to do with law ??? The forth commandment & the Catholic Church tells us that they changed the SABBATH TO sunday & it is their mark of authrity that they are above the BIBLE . Now we got to chose who we are going to obey , GOD or Man & a false , Me I chose To obey GOD READ
ROMANS 6 :16 To whom you obey is who servant ye are to whom you obey , & If we chose to obey a man over GOD , That man becomes your GOD .GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT

bud62 · Jan 12, 2020

mailmandan said:

Oh no, not that ridiculous argument!

Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

It is all about who you obey GOD or man , ROMANS 6:16 GOD BE WITH YOU AS HE SEES FIT .
https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

mailmandan · Jan 12, 2020

bud62 said:

I see that what I explained to you in post #1042, #1053 and #1054 just went right over your head.

You seem unable to see anything beyond your biased church indoctrination. There was a previous member of Christian Chat who was SDA and was absolutely obsessed with the sabbath day. He would create thread after thread about the sabbath and also the 10 commandments. Sadly enough, his arguments always culminated in a perverted gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works."

bud62 · Jan 12, 2020

mailmandan said:

Ezekiel 8:26 , Her preists have violated MY law, & have profaned MY HOLY THINGS; they have put no difference between the HOLY & profane , neither have they shewed difference between the unclean & the clean, And have hid their eyes from MY SABBATHS, & I am profaned among them .
Ezekiel 22:8 Thou hast despised MINE HOLY THINGS , & hast profaned MY HOLY SABBATHs ;
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the SABBATH ,from doing thy pleasure on my HOLY day; & call the SABBATH a delight , the HOLY of the LORD, honourable; & shalt honour HIM, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words
14 . then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD ; & I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth ,
Yes the SABBATHS are very HOLY to me , AND since I have learnt the truth about the SABBATH , I have enjoy it very much ,YE shall know The TRUTH ,AND the TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE , FROM WHAT ????? FROM the false doctrineing in the World , PRAISE GOD.
This one of a Baptist preacher ROGER WILLIAM Tell us about them trying to change times & laws WITCH is talking the second commandment And the S.D.A. Adventest GOT the seven from the Baptist , The truth that the Baptist have forgotten ,That time & turdishtion has toke away from them , People seem to do that as time go's on ,Getting farther & farther from from GOD .GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 12, 2020

mailmandan said:

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Exodus 20, God tells Israel remember the sabbath day keep it holy. Question, what was the commandment? If it was to remember and keep holy, this would imply that sometime prior to Exodus 20 these commandment were given, the question is to who? Do you know that the Scriptures tell us that Abraham kept all God's charges, ordinances, statures, laws and commandments? I believe God gave them to them verbally, this on tablets of stones, and now stored in our minds and written in our hearts.

Gentile believers always throw the same line that it was between God and Israel. Question, aren't you part of the commonwealth of Israel or you would hesitate to respond? Remember, Israel does not become part of the commonwealth of the Gentiles, is the other way around, but one in Yeshua.

Gentile always tied up all the laws together, we are talking about the Ten Commandment. Question, are the Ten Commandment done away with for you or you will keep 9 and do away with the Sabbath day?

Again, remember and keep holy, who were they given to in the past?

Let me make this clear one is save by grace alone, through faith apart from the Law, the law (Ten Commandments) has nothing to do with the gift of God, but all to do with obedience to God. Questions, is committing adultery a sin? Is stealing a sin? Is murdering a sin? Is bearing false witness a sin? Is dishonoring your parents a sin? Is covet a sin? Is making images of gods a sins? Is bowing down to images a sin? If you answer yes to all of them then you are refraining from sin, which means that you are keeping 9 commandments and your issue is with the Sabbath day, you do not want to keep the one day God specifically sanctified and said to remember and keep holy. Unless you believe it was given to Israel.

Let me use your argument... you stated the Sabbath day was between God and Israel, my question to you... wasn't the Ten Commandment between God and Israel? Your argument is WEAK!

I will not impose the Sabbath day on the Gentiles, but I believe in their relationship with God in Yeshua, the Spirit of God will enlighten their mind with the truth of God's word, what God made clear when he first spoke, but the problem is that many Gentiles have been impressed with teachings of man which is why it is hard for them to see this truth of God's word.

Grandpa · Jan 12, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

Hebrews 4:2-3
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:10-11
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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